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>>CL>Normal process for can.* groups is to post expressions of interest _here_.
>>CL>But there's been very little.

>>        Don't underestimate the support for CAN.REC.NATURIST.  If you
>>expect the numbers that they get in the states when showing support
>>for a new newsgroup, don't.  They have 10 times the population and
>>perhaps 20 times (my assumption here) more people on the net than in Canada,
>>therefore 1 Canadian post in support of CAN.REC.NATURIST is equivalent
>>to seeing 10 to 20 posts from Americans supporting some other new group.


CL>See the Dawn Whiteside's can.config FAQ.  It's perhaps worthy of note
CL>that I have been the one who has created the past 10-15 can.* groups.

        You've done a tremendous job Chris...I want you to understand
that I hate arguing about anything...but from my end, I was minding my
own business here when you suddenly came here, without any indication
of who you were...you started ordering me around like a bully...which
at my age, I have no difficulty identifying abusive personalities.

        I hope you are not the abusive bully, that you seem to present
yourself as.  If we met face to face, I'm sure we would treat each other
much much better. :)  Since this probably won't happen, I suggest we
agree to disagree and tone down the rhetoric by putting this conversation
to rest for a few weeks.  It must be the winter blaws...  :)

>        In my pre-RFD announcement in rec.nude...I did not ask anyone
>to post messages here, only to make sure they could find CAN.CONFIG and
>add it to their off-line mail packets.  At this time I have agreed to
>wait until the soc.naturist.moderated has reached some sort of resolution.
>We will probably need a moderated conference as well considering how
>system operators of the internet are destroying their own newsgroups by
>allowing 28% to 100% OFF-TOPIC X-posts to take over certain groups.
>It seems that nothing can be done at your end except to create moderated
>newsgroups to solve this terrible problem.

CL>You obviously haven't a clue as to who I am - and wouldn't believe me
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        This is an example of abusive talk...see what I mean?

CL>I'm trying, but you seem to have this chip on your shoulder.

        Gee, I thought you were the one who had the chip.  (Haha...just
laughing to myself).


CL>You seem to be under the misapprehension that formal RFD/CFV are
CL>used to create can.* groups.  This is not true.  I suggest that you
CL>read Dawn's FAQ.  RFDs in can.* look just like your first proposal
CL>posting.  Most groups are created on the strength of a proposal no
CL>more formal than yours.  Naturally I took your first posting to be the
CL>proposal.  Instead, you've decided to waste everyone's time and call it a
CL>"pre-RFD" and we'll have to go through this whole thing again.

        I hope you don't expect me to have your knowledge and experience.
'Naturally'?...I hope you gave give a little slack to those of us who
are doing this for the first time because this whole process is very 'un-
natural'.  I've always been gentle with newbees myself.
        I've seen a couple of RFDs and they both had some sort of charter/
or reason to have the newsgroup, and the FAQ suggests this as well, so
I did not have expected anyone to react to my pre-RFD post.

        As far as the 'pre-' is concerned, I was concerned that I would
not get enough interest especially since I don't know what 'enough' is.
This number, is not defined by the FAQ.  It seems to be a subjective
assessment for the can.* groups.   I am dealing with a lot of
problems about creating this newsgroup and I have been working in pretty
much a vacuum, even with the FAQ, until you came along.  I want to be
successful on the first try, so I want to make SURE that I am successful,
otherwise it's a colossal waste of my time.  So...how many posts showing
interest are necessary to satify you?  If you can answer this, I will go
and get enough supporters that are required, THEN I will post the RFD,
knowing that it will pass.  That is my strategy so that I don't have to
repeat this process.

        Istar provided a FAQ via E-mail.  I don't know how current it
is. I've used up my 5 hours on Istar for this month, so I can't FTP it.
Is there a way to find it though the Web or have this file uploaded to
Westonia BBS?  I remember reading that the voting proceedure is
not required, but it did not explain how much interest via posts are
necessary to attract the attention of the news administrators in order
to get the group created.  Can you tell me about this?


Lets get down to business gentlemen...Dave Fleming
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