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clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:

> In article <4958n3$d3d@felix.junction.net>,
> Bob nelson <rsnelson@portage.net> wrote:
> >The problem I have is that Dawn can post: "This is not a cabal", but
> >the can.* hierarcy seems to be run like one. Dawn can post: "Chris is
> >not the local Newsgroup Czar", but then you step right into the shoes.
> 
> Uh, no.  "Cabal" and "Newsgroup Czar" don't quite mean what you think.
> In fact, they're mutually exclusive.  And neither apply.

Now maybe I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that *anyone* with
access to the control news group can issue a newgroup message
and name that group anything they want. For example, I can issue
a newgroup rec.arts.godlike_beings.karl or alt.godlike_beings.karl.
Even though neither group has gone through any kind of voting
process the latter, as it falls under the alt group, will likely
be picked up by news admins not hell bent on alt.config. The former, 
as there was no formal voting process, will likely be picked up by few. 
In fact, a rmgroup "suggestion" will likely quickly follow, "suggesting" 
to other news admins that rec.arts.godlike_beings.karl should be removed.

Given that *anyone* can create any damn group they like as long
as their sysadmin gives them the ability to post to control,
talk by Bob about a cabal or newsgroup czar is totally pointless.
If you can't issue control messages from your account, then
you should give your news admin a very, very good reason
as to why you should have access to control to create
newsgroups. Of course, having access to control also gives
you the ability to remove newsgroup and delete messages.
Most admins, it seems, might not want the individual users
to have that. If that's so, shop around, find a provider
that gives any and all access to control. If not,
buy your own UNIX box and start your own news system
and pay someone to feed you news. If neither of those
are options, then, and here's the beauty of can.config, you've
got to sweetly convince someone with control access and 
time in their day to create your group. Chris is, nominally,
the guy who is willing to take time out of his day to do that.

Calling him a Czar is kind of a slap in the face to someone
who is generous enough to waste his time on creating any
groups at all.

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