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Article #280Non-proposal: can.arts.lit newsgroup
From: Pete Hodgins
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 19:33
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 19:33
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It would be premature now to post an actual proposal for a can.arts.lit group. Some months ago I tried to organize a similar group at the level of the ott.* hierarchy, and found it wouldn't fly because of the vast personal effort I was expected already to have put out. First, as I learned the hard way, a whole lot of organizing must have been completed. That job could only be done if numerous active participants could be found to publicize the proposal adequately. Instead, for the ott.* proposal, not one other person ever volunteered to provide the leadership effort really needed. Oh sure, there were many statements of support ... but some were wishy-washy or late in appearing, some made counter-proposals, and none offered actual help, without which I was unable to make the proposal known to the local talents I knew were in fact our there: writers, editors, publishers, retailers, teachers/professors, students, et al. The challenge will clearly be far greater at the national level. With a fulltime writing career plus lots of other demands upon my time, and at age 71 as well as with very poor hearing, I just am not up to meeting such a huge challenge as a "team" of just one. At the same time, with the human resources theoretically available at the national level, and given that "many hands make light work", in principle it should - and in reality it just may - be possible to assemble a workforce capable of getting the job adequately done. In the ott.* experiment (as I now see it), one critic accused me of being on an ego trip. You see, I'd been forced to carry the whole load myself; I couldn't refer to the proponent(s) as "we". Likewise, I was 100% of the effort's philosophical steering group. Thus being damned for making the effort, I'd have been double damned in my own eyes if I hadn't tried. Well, all that's not going to happen twice! If there's to be no group effort there will be no effort at all, as far as I'm concerned. However, I'll have no objection to someone else's taking the reins and letting me merely help, if that. Accusations to the contrary, I don't care who gets any credit for leading the envisioned effort. All I hope to find is the opportunity freely to exchange ideas, information, even fellowship, with other literati - unfettered by my constant difficulties over oral communication. ABOUT EXISTING NEWSGROUPS: My time for cruising the Internet being very limited, I can't say and don't even care what international groups may exist in the (small-l) literary field. Perhaps a decade ago, though, I had wild-west Internet experience in a different field (sailing), but found it downright repellent. Two people in particular were already in a huge flaming match which was still afire when I quit the group. What bothered me even more were (a) American domination, to the point where US citizenship was assumed; and (b) the ultra-rapid scrolling of articles so that one's articles had lifespans of only an hour or so. Within the can.* hierarchy, I note can.arts.sf (which, for the uninitiated, stands for "science fiction".) In terms of small-l literature - for big-L Literature is highfalutin' stuff in a genre on its own - sf is only one of many genres. Some others are romance, travel, adventure, action, sports, crime, and espionage. Writings also include journalism, other non-fiction, and poetry. Sf, being written, is literature. That being so, can.arts.sf would seem already to provide all argument necessary to expand into every genre, for the sum of all parts clearly is greater than any one part. This observation implies, though, that the existing sf group can be merged into a broader can.arts.lit group. If it cannot, it would seem appropriate to rename it "can.arts.lit.sf", clarifying the relationship of sf to all other writings or literature, and also of literature to all other arts. Of less interest to citizens of other provinces/territories and towns, the ont.* hierarchy has no literary newsgroup at all, unless I am mistaken; while the ott.* hierarchy at present has only ott.rec.books, for consumers rather than producers. This group seems to have a small user base that may spend much of its time in idle bickering. The reasons for my initial effort for an ott.arts.lit (or perhaps .writings - there remained a controversy about names, when I withdrew my proposal) included the inappropriate name and focus of ott.rec.books. Not all writers produce books; some specialize in magazine/newspaper articles or short stories, poems, etc. I also found ".rec." a poor "middle name". Professionals would drop it like the proverbial hot potato, I felt. That was, however, after a decade or more of experience with news groups in Ottawa's National Capital FreeNet or NCF. My experiences had included watching/resisting the dwindling of an NCF SIG (Special Interest Group) infelicitously named ncf.sigs.boating+sailing. "boating" here meant "motorboating" - an uncomfortable bedfellow for sailing. Once it was clear that the single-server group was dying, three of us combined to set up and successfully launch a more boardly accessible ott.rec.sailing newsgroup. I later became much more active in the ncf.sigs.writers group, but it too began failing over the years. With only about half a dozen active users, I now consider it no longer viable. For people like me, then, the contemplated leap is from a small, local, specialized writers' group to a potentially huge, national, readily accessed, literature-in-general one. ncf.sigs.writers being in existence, I'd hope its half-dozen users will move en bloc to a future can.arts.lit. As to its present name, it's not inclusive enough to attract important subgroups such as editors who aren't primarily writers. Being restricted to NCF users, moreover, it now inevitably leaves out the vast majority of literary people within the local region (which I tend to equate with the Ottawa Valley) who use other servers than the NCF - for example, Magma or Yahoo. Thus a proposal for a can.arts.lit group would not only greatly boarden the geographic "catchment area", but also would broaden its sociological catchment, e.g., from writers to anyone concerned with aspects of writings/literature. There seems every reason for the described new group to succeed, but only if enough people with enough energy and time to spread the word will get solidly behind the effort from the outset. Remember, this is not yet a NG proposal. Before it is, the essential human resources must be found to ensure that the word will get around. Without those resources there will be no such proposal from me, although others are welcome to take the concept and run with it. Any relevant comments will be welcome, especially if they show how the problem of "finding resources to find resources" may be circumvented. -- Pete Hodgins Sr. / pth@ncf.ca "Something is rotten in the state of Publishing."
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fa33e,3ea3981d1b65848f X-Google-Attributes: gidfa33e,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-08-09 12:40:19 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-08!supernews.com!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cyclone.bc.net!torn!cunews!freenet-news!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!aw103 From: aw103@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Pete Hodgins) Newsgroups: can.config Subject: Non-proposal: can.arts.lit newsgroup Date: 9 Aug 2003 19:33:29 GMT Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Lines: 106 Message-ID: <bh3ia9$gem$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> References: <bh3i2t$fq5$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> Reply-To: aw103@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Pete Hodgins) NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet10 X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 1060457609 16854 134.117.136.30 (9 Aug 2003 19:33:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 2003 19:33:29 GMT X-Given-Sender: aw103@freenet10.carleton.ca (Pete Hodgins)