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Re: Canadian ISP Makes Really Bad Decision

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From: Carter Lee
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 22:54
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Dave Smith wrote:
> 
> Carter Lee wrote:
> 
> > >
> > > >This is bait and switch marketing. It is unethical. But then, Bell is notorious
> > > >for bait and switch tactics.
> > >
> > > Missed that gem in the earlier post.
> > >
> > > Do you have a clue what "bait and switch" means legally?  I'd bet not.
> >
> > I take it that you do have a clue what it means legally.  Are you going
> > to keep us in suspense or are you going to tell us?
> 
> LOL Carter. Of course he isn't.

Well he did, so give him a little credit.

  He is one of those lame brains who thinks that he can
> win an argument by discrediting the knowledge of others rather than providing
> information himself.

That's the way he came across to me and why I replied the way I did.

  Bait and switch is a type of fraud with numerous variations. The
> most common is to offer a special deal on something but when the customer gets there
> he finds that the item is substandard and ends up having to get something more
> expensive.  For instance, a carpeting company might offer an extraordinarily cheap
> price on carpeting. When prospective customers come in to get it they find that the
> stuff offered at that prices   is totally unacceptable, so they try to sell them
> something better, and more expensive.

Yep.

  In the case of Sympaticao, they offered
> *unlimied access* to the Internet at a set  monthly rate.

...and they delivered it.

  After a while, they decided
> to increase the cost (at a time when most other providers are dropping their prices).
> That in itself is not bait and switch.

No, I agree, it is not.

 That happens when they start putting caps on
> transfers.  It is no longer the *unlimited* access that it was originally presented
> as.

Well it's not exactly bait and switch, the did deliver unlimited access
as they originally advertised.  I don't think that they ever said they
would be able to do that for ever.  I won't however get into a pedantic
argument about what to call the action Bell is now taking, except to say
I think it sucks.

I did get a comment from them regarding the original post in this thread
which I sent them.  This is what they said;
_______________________________________________________________________________
Dear Carter,

Thank you for writing.  The posting in your email is referring to a
change in Bell Canada's High Speed Edition (HSE) Internet Service.
Bell's HSE, is available to Ontario and Quebec residents and is not
offered to other provinces.  Your Aliant High Speed Internet service
is not affected by this change.
_________________________________________________________________________________

I take it then that the rate change is real, they didn't mention the
limitation on downloading.  Does anyone know exactly what the rate
change is, like how much is it now in Ontario and Quebec and what is the
increase. I need to know because if this goes ahead I think it will only
be a matter of time before it affects other provinces as well.

Carter
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