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From: "Boris" <boris@movil.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
References: <199910230159.DAA17342@sol2.tvd.be>
Subject: Re: ZYDS=KIDDIE PORN - Now Same Law for Whites?
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:44:24 -0700

nobody@club.worldonline.be> wrote in message 
news:199910230159.DAA17342@sol2.tvd.be...
> The Edmonton Sun newspaper today reports on
> another charge of KIDDIE PORN.

> A Lawrence Mark Edelstein has been charged with
> possession of child pornagraphy. Sentence on
> conviction carries a penalty of up to 5 years' prison.


> Perhaps his defence will include the news items below?


> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 05:47:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mixmaster <mixmaster@remail.obscura.com>
> Subject: JEWS=KIDDIE PORN, Now same Law for Others?

> All across Canada, lawyers and their clients can now
> use the case of  the JEW SYNAGOGUE CANTOR
> CONVICTED OF DISTRIBUTING KIDDIE PORN from
> his synagogue, as a legal precedent.

> For example, there is the Vancouver case of Robin Sharpe,
> who won his appeal for possession of kiddie porn this week.
> It seems the precedent of the JEW CANTOR, who got off
> when convicted of DISTRIBUTING KIDDIE PORN, will be
> a precedent for others now??

> Then there is the case of the ex-Edmonton cop, Dale Weir,
> also being appealed.

> The 2 above are charged or/and convicted of
> POSSESSION of kiddie porn.

> Then there was the other case of the DND scientist
> Blair Evans, in Ottawa,who got 8 months in prison!!!

> All these cases, and others can ask in their appeals:

> IF A JEW IS CONVICTED OF DISTRIBUTING KIDDIE PORN,
> BUT DOES NO TIME IN PRISON, SURELY NON-JEWS
> SHOULD GET SIMILAR TREATMENT ???


> On Mon, 08 Feb 1999 14:56:33 GMT, kengaygoy@scheisse.zhids.org 
wrote:
> >On Sat, 06 Feb 1999 16:11:27 GMT, scheisslauri@pamyat.nozhid.org
> >wrote:
> >>On Sat, 06 Feb 1999 10:20:59 -0500, Al Marchant
> >><dreamingdog@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> >>>Oh that's a very simple question to answer.
> >>>It's because they are better than you dummy.

> >>In other words, you agree that the JEW KIDDIE PORN people
> >>get preferential treatment from the crooked Courts in Canada??

> >>Why should the Christkillers be treated differently than white 
men??


> >>>scheisslauri@pamyat.nozhid.org wrote:

> >>>> It seems that if you are a JEW distributing KIDDIE PORN in
> >>>> Canada, you do not have to go to jail!!!

> >>>> In fact, you are allowed to leave Canada, even though normal
> >>>> people in Canada have to go to jail, as they should.

> >>>> Why should JEWS not have to go to jail for distributing KIDDIE
> >>>> PORN??

> >>>> On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 16:05:26 GMT, 
scheisslauri@pamyat.nozhid,org
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:55:53 -0500, jacob bekker
> <jbekker@flash.net>
> >>>> >wrote:

> >>>> >If that was "A Polish school teacher at a Halifax church..."
> >>>> >than it was O.K.
> >>>> >J.B.

> >>>> >>No, it would not be OK, no matter who is the pervert.

> >>>> >>What is of concern, is whether the 3 NON-JEWS presently 
charged
> >>>> >>with similar crimes, will now also be allowed to leave 
Canada,
> >>>> >>without having to spend the normal 5 years in prison?

> >>>> >>Or, is this generosity only available  to damn JEW KIDDIE 
PORN
> >>>> >>DISTRIBUTORS, especially if they are connected to a 
synagogue??

> >>>> >> ><odessa88@direct.ca> wrote:

> >>>> >>>   ARREST SHOCKS SYNAGOGUE; TEACHER FLIES BACK TO U.S.
> >>>> >>>   By EVA HOARE and AMY PUGSLEY FRASER Staff Reporters

> >>>> >>>   A Hebrew school teacher and cantor at a Halifax 
synagogue,
> >>>> >>>   who downloaded   hundreds of pornographic photographs of
> >>>> >>>   children from the Internet, was  fined $2,200 in court
> Tuesday.

> >>>> >>>  The fine was paid and Stuart David Friedman, a
> >>>> >>>   well-liked and respected member of the Beth Israel
> Synagogue,
> >>>> >>>   promptly left   the country for his native United States.

> >>>> >>>   It's the first charge of its kind in Nova Scotia and
> justice officials
> >>>> >>>   hinted that Mr. Friedman's activities - downloading a
> personal
> >>>> >>>   fantasy collection of boys performing sexual and
> >>>> >>>   sadomasochistic acts - could be
> >>>> >>>   connected to an international child pornography ring.

> >>>> >>>   Mr. Friedman, 42, of South Park Street, Halifax, pleaded
> >>>> >>>   guilty to possessing child pornography from the Internet.
> >>>> >>>   When Canada Customs and  police officers arrested him
> >>>> >>>   during a raid on his apartment  Monday, the  cantor was
> >>>> >>>    surfing the Net. Although his private cache contained
> >>>> >>>    photographs  and videos - as well as gay and bondage
> >>>> >>>   magazines - the bulk of his  collection was 223
> >>>> >>>   computer-generated photos of child pornography stored on
> >>>> >>>   diskettes, on two computer hard drives, and on computer
> printouts.
>
> >>>> >>>   ``It's extremely disgusting,'' said Const. Gary Martin of
> >>>> >>>   the HalifaxRegional Police Service, whose officers also
> >>>> >>>   conducted a search of Chebucto  Freenet offices,
> >>>> >>>   Mr. Friedman's Internet provider. ``Ninety per cent of 
this
> >>>> >>>   material was obtained either directly or indirectly 
through
> >>>> >>>   the Internet.
> >>>> >>>   Some ... was directly downloaded from the Internet and
> >>>> >>>   some was obtained from different groups that are within
> >>>> >>>   the Internet,'' Const. Martin said.
> >>>> >>>   ``The pictures are very explicit. It covers just about
> every
> >>>> >>>  avenue of pornography that's out there.''
>
> >>>> >>>   Canada Customs' intelligence division started working
> >>>> >>>   the case last September and then brought in regional
> >>>> >>>   police, said Ed Osborne, customs'
> >>>> >>>   regional intelligence officer.
>
> >>>> >>>   Now officers - who'll spend hundreds of hours poring
> >>>> >>>   over the materials - want to know if any Nova Scotian
> >>>> >>>   children were depicted in the ``gruesome''
> >>>> >>>   photos and material seized. But they do not expect
> >>>> >>>   that will be the case.
>
> >>>> >>>   Parents of children who attended the Hebrew school,
> >>>> >>>   shocked by the arrest, planned to meet Tuesday night.
> >>>> >>>   ``As aware as people are that these things
> >>>> >>>   can and do happen, it's still a shock,'' said Cathy Fox,
> >>>> >>>   president of the Beth Israel Synagogue. Her three 
children -
> >>>> >>>   two sons and a daughter - were taught by Mr. Friedman
> >>>> >>>   at the synagogue's Hebrew school. ``It's a very
> >>>> >>>   difficult time.''
>
> >>>> >>>   The cantor - who leads the congregation in song -
> >>>> >>>   taught her 13- year-old son songs and chants
> >>>> >>>   that were part of his bar mitzvah ceremony last
> >>>> >>>   October, Mrs. Fox said.
>
> >>>> >>>   Some members will feel betrayed as a result of
> >>>> >>>   the charges. ``I think the elderly members of our
> >>>> >>>   congregation will be very hurt by this.'' Some are
> >>>> >>>   appalled while others expressed sympathy.
> >>>> >>>   ``I'm very saddened,'' said  Robert  Wolman,
> >>>> >>>    president of the synagogue's board of governors.
>
> >>>> >>>   Mr. Wolman said he and other board members
> >>>> >>>   heard about the case Monday night  and
> >>>> >>>   Mr. Friedman was immediately dismissed.
>
> >>>> >>>   Wearing an olive-colored trenchcoat and a black
> >>>> >>>   yarmulke (skull cap) over his greying hair,
> >>>> >>>   a pale and visibly nervous Mr. Friedman was
> >>>> >>>   ushered into provincial court by two sheriff's deputies.
> >>>> >>>   Refusing even to look up at the  judge, he stared
> >>>> >>>   resolutely at the floor while wringing his hands.
>
> >>>> >>>   ``This is the first (such) charge through our office,''
> >>>> >>>   Crown attorney Frank Hoskins told Judge Hughes Randall.
> >>>> >>>   ``But it sends a message out to the public that if you're
> in
> >>>> >>>   possession of these images from your Internet and
> >>>> >>>   they're child pornography, you can be charged with
> >>>> >>>   a criminal offence and get a criminal record
> >>>> >>>    and a substantial fine,'' Mr. Hoskins said later.
>
> >>>> >>>   Article Segment 2 of 2
> >>>> >>>   <A
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> >>>> >>>   Canada Customs received information about a
> >>>> >>>   child pornography ring in Canada  and the
> >>>> >>>   United States operating via the Internet, surface
> >>>> >>>   mail and electronic (e-mail), the Crown attorney said.
>
> >>>> >>>   Officers said Mr. Friedman's apartment was
> >>>> >>>   ``ill-kept and unclean,'' and that they also found 
letters
> >>>> >>>    with explicit sexual content. A second search
> >>>> >>>   conducted at Chebucto Freenet yielded his e-mail records.
>
> >>>> >>>   Mr. Hoskins and defence lawyer Joel Pink said
> >>>> >>>   Mr. Friedman, who co-operated  with police,
> >>>> >>>   was only using the material for his own
> >>>> >>>   sexual fantasies. ``His intent was possession,
> >>>> >>>    not distribution or selling,'' said the Crown.
>
> >>>> >>>   The former cantor - who is not married - has
> >>>> >>>   provided information that will help police bring
> >>>> >>>   more ``like-minded individuals'' to justice,
> >>>> >>>   Mr. Hoskins said.
>
> >>>> >>>   Outside court, police Sgt. Bill Cowper, the
> >>>> >>>   department's Internet specialist, said this
> >>>> >>>   is just the beginning. ``We're pursuing every
> >>>> >>>  angle at this time. He's not the only person. ...
> >>>> >>>   The investigation does involve law enforcement
> >>>> >>>    officials in Canada and in the United States.''
>
> >>>> >>>   Police said Mr. Friedman is being investigated
> >>>> >>>   over the alleged distribution of photos to other
> >>>> >>>   Internet users. Police won't say which American
> >>>> >>>   agencies are involved and the U.S. Customs
> >>>> >>>   Service, reached late Tuesday, declined  comment.
>
> >>>> >>>   Mr. Hoskins asked that Mr. Friedman surrender
> >>>> >>>   his computers, valued at  $1,200 and $1,500 apiece,
> >>>> >>>   to the court in addition to the $2,200 fine
> >>>> >>>   ($2,000 plus a $200 victim surcharge).
> >>>> >>>   Two sets of handcuffs were also  confiscated.
>
> >>>> >>>   After the court appearance, Mr. Friedman took
> >>>> >>>   the 4:45 p.m. flight to Boston  to be with his family.
>
> >>>> >>>   Officials won't comment on the amount of the fine -
> >>>> >>>   the offence carries a  maximum of five  years in
> >>>> >>>   prison - saying that's up to the judge. But they
> >>>> >>>   did say there was a plea bargain.
>
> >>>> In other words, one law for normal people caught under
> >>>> this crime, and if you are a JEW, you get off??
>
> >>>> >>>   Mr. Friedman, holder of a music degree from an
> >>>> >>>   American university, arrived in Halifax in August 1994
> >>>> >>>   and has worked at Beth Israel ever since. His last
> >>>> >>>   posting as a cantor was in the Detroit area.
> >>>> >>>   The man, whose job was to lead prayers,
> >>>> >>>   teach Hebrew school and help prepare boys for
> >>>> >>>   bar mitzvah, has no prior criminal record, Mr. Pink said.
>
> >>>> >>>   ``My eldest son has a great deal of respect for the
> >>>> >>>   cantor,'' said Mrs. Fox, who wanted to break the
> >>>> >>>   news to her children before they heard it through
> >>>> >>>   the media.
>
> >>>> >>>   ``We have to do this in a very nonalarmist fashion ...
> >>>> >>>   I'm still thinking about how we will handle this.''
>
> >>>> >>>   Mr. Wolman said the board of governors would
> >>>> >>>   review of the matter as soon as  possible and
> >>>> >>>   plans to tighten the screening process for
> >>>> >>>   future cantors.
>
> >>>> >>>   Police also said they found a stash of adult
> >>>> >>>   pornography - 31 nude orpartially-nude self-portraits -
> >>>> >>>   but the charges stem from the child-related
> >>>> >>>   material.
>
> >>>> >>>   With staff reporters Bruce Erskine and Barry Dorey
> >>>> >>>   The Halifax Herald Limited, 1997.
>
> >>>> >>>>> Join NSWPP mailing-list, go to:
> >>>> >>>>> http://www.nswpp.org/">http://www.nswpp.org
>
>
>
> >>>On 1 Jul 1998 18:48:11 GMT, billy_bob@throckmorton.com (Billy Bob
> >>>Throckmorton) wrote:
> >>>>In article <jeff_brown-0107980822210001@38.27.217.200>,
> >>>>jeff_brown@bigfoot.com says...
>
> >>>>>In article <6nbkoj$60u@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>, Scott "beat you
> to a
> >>>>>bloody pulp" Bradbury, hiding behind his "Billy Bob 
Throckmorton"
> sock
> >>>>>puppet, wrote:
>
> >>>>>>Gort McFee commented:
> >>>>>>>>>Gee, I don't see Ken defending homosexuality there,
> >>>>>>>>>Doc-Scott.  He seems to be defending tolerance.
> >>>>>>>>>Is that what has your knickers in a knot?
>
> >>>>>>What does the word "homophobe" make reference to then?
>
> >>>>>It makes reference to a person who fears homosexuals -- you, 
for
> instance.
>
> >>>>>Where in the passage cited, O Gutless One, does Ken McVay
> >>>>>make any reference to homosexual sex? And if he doesn't refer
> >>>>>to it, how, exactly,can he be defending it?
> >>>>>We're _still_ waiting for the answers to those questions...
>
> >>>>He does not have to mention homosexual sex in order to
> >>>>defend it. I never said that he mentioned homosexual sex.
> >>>>This is your ruse to divert attention that Gay McVay
> >>>>urges tolerance toward a "community" that engages
> >>>>in such practices. If you want tolerance for a group
> >>>>of people that practice such then you would also
> >>>> tolerate their acts would you not? If it weren't for
> >>>>their practices then the subject of tolerance wouldn't
> >>>>be an issue would it?
> >>>>What is so hard about this concept?
>
> >>>>It is about the same as people that say they are pro-choice;
> >>>>they avoid saying they are pro-abortion but they approve
> >>>>of the practice. You liberals are the ones that like to play
> >>>>tricks with meanings of words. I have no doubt in my
> >>>> mind that you, McVay and the rest of your ilk approve of the
> >>>>homosexual community and their activity! Care to deny this now?
>
> >>>>>> [...deletia...]
>
> >>>>Quit deleting the original text if you wish to make argument.
> >>>>Here is McVay unedited:
> >>>>http://x12.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=365864512
> >>>>Subject:      Dear Nizkor....
> >>>>From:         kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
> >>>>Date:         1998/06/25
>
> >>>>[Notice that the Nizkooks in their apologia for homosexual
> >>>>acts seek to make homos into heroes! Notice also they
> >>>>totally deleted Goldberg's original questions as well.
> >>>>Here is the link to Goldberg's post that all these
> >>>>homo-aphologist seek to avoid:
> >>>>http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=365721680
> >>>>7/1/98  Tavish]
>
> >>>>In article <3593c583.138589250@news.abccom.bc.ca>,
> >>>>Electric Zen <electriczen@nospam.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>[deranged bonehead displays homophobia, Ken Lewis responds]
>
> >>>>Notice how another 'revisionist', unable to support his
> >>>>arguments with facts,  resorts to teenaged sexual comments.
> >>>> Were all of you maroons
> >>>>cloned from the same defective brain cell?
>
> >>>>That would certainly explain why they don't have more
> >>>>than a single functioning neuron between them, would it not?
>
> >>>>This discussion reminds me - Saturday, June 28, is Pride Day.
> >>>>There will be a massive parade in Toronto and other cities.
> >>>>Folks who would like to stand up and be counted for
> >>>>tolerance should attend. Last year,
> >>>>about a million spectators lined the Toronto route.
>
> >>>>(The Phelps Clan should probably stay home - they
> >>>>don't know the meaning of tolerance.)
>
> >>>>A sobering reminder: During the past ten years, one
> >>>>half of Canada's arts community has died of AIDS.
> >>>> Half - Dancers, actors, artists of all sorts.
> >>>>Such a loss cannot help but have a devastating
> >>>>impact upon our cultural life, and homophobic
> >>>>cheap shots don't remove this very sad reality.
>
> >>>>"Revisionist" my Aunt Tildy. These twits wouldn't know
> >>>>a revisionist if he bit them in their nether regions.
>
> >>>>The Nizkor Project-----------------------http://www.nizkor.org
> >>>>Ken McVay, Director.             http://www.nizkor.org/~kmcvay
> >>>> ----------END----------
>
>
> >>>>I answered the stupid questions above the requoting of
> >>>>Ken McVay's obvious apologia for homosexuals and the
> >>>>acts that get them termed as homosexuals.
>
> >>>>>>How is AIDS spread and why did McVay use the word "homophobe?"
>
> >>>>It has been explained repeatedly and the lurkers have
> >>>>gotten the point. It is you that seeks to do damage
> >>>>control and diversion. Won't work!
>
> >>>>>> [...deletia...]
>
>
> >>>>Where was it ever claimed that Ken McVay mentioned
> >>>>homosexual sex? I made no such claim. It is you making
> >>>>the claim that I made the claim!
> >>>>I have maintained that he makes apologia for a "community"
> >>>>that obviously  engages in such acts. They aren't called
> >>>>homosexuals for any other reason Georg and you
> >>>> look extremely agenda concious and stupid to keep up
> >>>>this current ruse!
>
> >>>>>> [...deletia...]
>
> >>>>>>>>If Gay McVay
> >>>>>>>>believes so much in tolerance then why doesn't he
> >>>>>>>>appreciate the right to free speech and stop showing
> >>>>>>>>intolerance toward others.
> >>>>>>>>Ernst Zundel for instance.
>
> >>>>>>>When and where, exactly, has Ken McVay stated
> >>>>>>>that Ernst Zundel should
> >>>>>>>not have the right of free speech?
>
> >>>>>>His group snipes at Zundel and others like him all the time.
>
> >>>>>When and where, exactly, has Ken McVay stated
> >>>>>that Ernst Zundel should not
> >>>>>have the right of free speech?
>
> >>>>Any attention paid to McVay's activities and his
> >>>>allegiance to B'Nai B'rith will show how he aggresively
> >>>>seeks to silence the opposition using what he
> >>>>calls "hate speech" laws existent in Canada.
>
> >>>>Just use the following key words at DejaNews:
> >>>>ZUNDEL McVAY FREE SPEECH and you will see much!
> >>>>or do a search on GROSVENOR McVAY FREE SPEECH
> >>>>and you will find such gems as:
>
> >>>>http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=315519835
> >>>>Subject:      Re: Free Speech
> >>>>From:         kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
> >>>>Date:         1998/01/13
> >>>>
> >>>>In article <34bab636.2890382@news.interlog.com>,
> >>>>Sheila Paterson <shepat@//REMOVETHIS//interlog.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>[snip]
>
> >>>>>Everyone has the right to free speech no matter how
> >>>>>obnoxious,offensive, fascist or boring.
> >>>>>What one doesn't have is the right to
> >>>>>keep someone from speaking.
>
> >>>>Although many here would argue the point, the
> >>>>statements above are notcorrect for Canada,
> >>>>which does not have the protection of the American
> >>>>First Amendment.
>
> >>>>In short, in accordance with recent Supreme Court
> >>>>of Canada findings, there are acceptable abridgments
> >>>>to Canadian Charter rights to free speech.
>
> >>>><<SNIPPING>>
>
> >>>> -----END OF ARTICLE------
>
> >>>>http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=342508652
> >>>>http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=340569637
> >>>>Subject:      Supreme Court upholds defamatory libel law
> >>>>From:         kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
>
> >>>>>>You just don't pay attention. They want Zundel in prison for
> mere words!
>
> >>>>>Note that Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is repeating his non-answer.
>
> >>>>>When and where has Nizkor stated they 'want Zundel in prison',
> >>>>>O Gutless One?
>
> >>>>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=157567242
> >>>>Subject:      Ernst Zundel, threat to Canada's national 
security?
> >>>>From:         kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>
> >>>>>McVay on CBC:
> >>>>>"I did at that time approve  [of] Canadian actions against
> >>>>>Zundel against Keegstra, ah it was sort of a gut reaction
> >>>>>because they offended me so deeply I said good shut
> >>>>> them up put them in jail do what ever it takes,
> >>>>>...no free speech."
>
> >>>>Care to deny the above now Georg? DejaNews is filled with such!
> >>>>I'll bet that you really approve of Socialist Canada's "free
> speech"
> >>>>too.
> >>>> Billy Bob
> >>>>>JGB
>
> >>One must wonder, did faggot Oyvay get fired from the
> >>US military for being a child molester?
>
> >>Is that why nazikor so strongly defended the Synagogue
> >>Cantor in Halifax, convicted of distributing KIDDIE PORN?
>
> >>Is Oyvay also under investigation by Interpol,
> >>for being involved in kiddie porn??

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