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From: bmccandlss@aol.com (BMcCandlss)
Newsgroups: alt.abortion
Subject: Re: MILLIONS FROM KILLING BABIES!!!

>Subject: Re: MILLIONS FROM KILLING BABIES!!!
>From: apifar@ibm.net  (Craig Chilton)
>Date: Sun, 21 November 1999 02:06 PM EST
>On 21 Nov 1999 18:35:34 GMT, bmccandlss@aol.com 
>(BMcCandlss) wrote:
>>  apifar@ibm.net  (Craig Chilton) wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:17:54 -0500 (EST), 
>>> "boris@movil.com" <anonymous@cotse.com> wrote:

>>    Sorry dude, the American Revolution was founded on the 
>> principle that all are created with the RIGHT to LIFE, so your 
>> "Benediction" is given with foot in mouth.

Keep dreaming.
Our founding documents were based on principles of 
English law, which DID ascribe these rights to the unborn;
it's cited right in Roe v. Wade. 

Likewise, our founding documents state that 
"all Men are created equal, that they are
endowed by their creator with the right to life..." 

Note it says CREATED, not BORN.
NO "Men" were EVER born; only little babies are BORN. 
Clearly this "creation" refers to something other than birth. 

Likewise, "Men" are not "created," we
don't pop into existence fully formed.

Simply put, abortion was  tolerated only due to primitive 
ob/gyn practices of the day, nothing more-- your argument, 
being based on them, dies with them.

And  yes, the unborn DO have intrinsic value in terms 
of their promise of a future as adults, just like infants do, 
which is why they are protected by law, as opposed to 
being shipped to the pound to be gassed with the cats 
and dogs which, although equally intelligent now, will 
NEVER reach adult human intellect.

Maybe the unborn had no value BEFORE conception, 
but by the time they're big enough to be aborted that's 
no longer the case; the die is cast, so those cast
must not die.


***VERY VALID POINTS OPPOSING 
***THE MURDERING ABORTIONISTS!!!



From: "Mark" <mark1w@oanet.com>
Newsgroups: edm.general,can.general
Subject: Re: MORGENTALER MAKES $17 MILLIONS KILLING BABIES!!!
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:36:57 -0700

Melanie Piper wrote in message <3831CB3F.E0753FBC@telusplanet.net>...
>boris.spetznatz@lubyanka.net wrote:
>> From: bk469@torfree.net (John Lauzon)
>> Subject: MORGENTALER: THE $17 MILLION/YEAR ABORTION MAN

>> MORGENTALER: THE $17 MILLION/YEAR ABORTION MAN


Man alive just did a show on Morgentaler.  I was amazed 
that he survived both Auschwitz and Dachau and yet still 
has such a callous view of life.  His humanist views developed 
before WWII by the influence of his humanist father.

I've been doing some reading on humanism lately.  All of the
worst people this century has seen were humanists.  Hitler,
Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot were all humanists.  So it isn't
surprising to me that Morgantaller, who signed the Humanist
Manifesto II, would be just as willing to kill as they were.

On an aside, he was also very willing to cheat on his wife,
and did so constantly.

>> abortionist Henry Morgentaler, one can
>> ascertain that Morgentaler makes at least $17,083,764
>> per year

>Do you want your reader to be jealous of his income?  How is
>his income relevant to whether or not his beliefs or activities
>should/should not be supported?

I've heard coimments from reformed abortionists that they did it
for the incredible amount of money they mae.  Morgantaller has
personally performed 75,000 abortions, at the going rate of
about $600, that amounts to $45,000,000.


>> from his business of killing unborn babies.

>Your choice of word for what he does.  Sure wouldn't be mine.

I have yet to hear a pregnant woman refer to her unborn baby as
a featus, or a lump of flesh.  "Oh, feel my tummy dear, our
lump of flesh is really kicking".


>> A province by province breakdown of abortion
>> provision is provided by CARAL at http://www.caral.ca/situation1.html .

>> The site lists the number of abortions performed per
>> week at the Morgentaler abortuaries.

>"abortuaries"--again a choice of words designed to inflame and
>influence; a less-biased choice of words would be what the
>facilities are actually termed within the conventional medical
>and health-care "establishment": clinics.

ROTFL.  You call the guy an anti-semite and then you have the
nerve to talk about inflamatory language.  A mill is exactly
what they are, get them in and out as fast as they can.
132,000 abortion were performed in 1996, that's one out
of every five preganacies.

>Ah, what the hell.  I support your right to your opinions, but
>I just couldn't resist.  I was taught to "read critically" in
>about Grade Nine and sometimes the "button-pushers" just jump
>out at me.

Reading critically isn't worth much if you only read propaganda.

Markw


From: bk469@torfree.net (John Lauzon)
Subject: MORGENTALER: THE $17 MILLION/YEAR ABORTION MAN

MORGENTALER: THE $17 MILLION/YEAR ABORTION MAN

OTTAWA, Nov 10 (LSN.ca) - From statistics and figures 
published on the website of the Canadian Abortion Rights 
Action League (CARAL) and the website of notorious 
Canadian Jewish abortionist Henry Morgentaler, one can
ascertain that Morgentaler makes at least $17,083,764 
per year from his business of killing unborn babies. 

Health researcher Isabelle Begin who discovered the 
information informed LifeSite News that Morgentaler 
owns and operates 8 clinics in 7 provinces in Canada. 

Adding the numbers of abortions performed in the 
Morgentaler clinics (save for the Edmonton clinic figures, 
which are unavailable) and multiplying by the average 
cost of these abortions (as compiled from information 
on Morgentaler's website) one can conclude that 
destroying pre-born humans makes a substantial 
contribution to Morgentaler's comfortable livelihood. 
The calculation goes like this: 
Average yearly revenue: $607.25/abortion x 28,133
+ (no info for Edmonton) = $17,083,764 
minimum yearly gross revenue. 

A province by province breakdown of abortion 
provision is provided by CARAL at http://www.caral.ca/situation1.html . 
The site lists the number of abortions performed per 
week at the Morgentaler abortuaries. Further,
the average fee Morgentaler charges for an 
abortion at his various "clinics" is available by 
clicking on the clinic locations from his
website at http://www.morgentaler.ca./map.htm . 

Morgentaler's lucrative private sector "health" 
industry is also subsidized substantially by taxpayers. 
A recent report by the Toronto Free Press revealed 
that Ontario taxpayers some $5 million in rent for 
the activist's Toronto abortion mill. Interestingly, 
this happens to be his most lucrative abortuary. 

See the LifeSite story on Morgentaler's rent at:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/1999/sept/990920.html#1



With your diabolical viewpoint you should really enjoy this...

BODY PARTS FOR SALE
Mona Charen, November 9, 1999

"Kelly" (a pseudonym) was a medical technician working 
for a firm that trafficked in baby body parts. This is not a 
bad joke. Nor is it the hysterical propaganda of an interest 
group. It was reported in The American Enterprise magazine -- 
the intelligent, thought-provoking and utterly trustworthy 
publication of the American Enterprise Institute.

The firm Kelly worked for collected fetuses from clinics 
that performed late-term abortions. She would dissect 
the aborted fetuses in order to obtain "high-quality" parts 
for sale. They were interested in blood, eyes,
livers, brains and thymuses, among other things.

"What we did was to have a contract with an abortion 
clinic that would allow us to go there on certain days. 
We would get a generated list each day to tell us what 
tissue researchers, pharmaceutical companies and
universities were looking for. Then we would examine 
the patient charts.

We only wanted the most perfect specimens." That 
didn't turn out to be difficult. Of the hundreds of late-term 
fetuses Kelly saw on a weekly basis, only about 2 percent 
had abnormalities. About 30 to 40 babies per week were 
around 30 weeks old -- well past the point of viability.

Is this legal? Federal law makes it illegal to buy and 
sell human body parts. But there are loopholes in the law. 
Here's how one body parts company -- Opening Lines Inc. -- 
disguised the trade in a brochure for abortionists: 
"Turn your patient's decision into something wonderful."

For its buyers, Opening Lines offers "the highest quality, 
most affordable, freshest tissue prepared to your 
specifications and delivered in the quantities you need, 
when you need it."

Eyes and ears go for $75, and brains for $999. An 
"intact trunk" fetches $500, a whole liver $150. 
To evade the law's prohibition, body-parts dealers 
like Opening Lines offer to lease space in the 
abortion clinic to "perform the harvesting," as 
well as to "offset [the] clinic's overhead."

Opening Lines further boasted, "Our daily average 
case volume exceeds 1500 and we serve clinics 
across the United States."

Kelly kept at her grisly task until something made 
her reconsider. One day, "a set of twins at 24 weeks 
gestation was brought to us in a pan.
They were both alive. The doctor came back and said, 
'Got you some good specimens -- twins.'

I looked at him and said: 'There's something wrong here. 
They are moving. I can't do this. This is not in my contract.' 
I told him I would not be part of taking their lives. So he 
took a bottle of sterile water and poured it in the pan 
until the fluid came up over their mouths and noses,
letting them drown. I left the room because I could 
not watch this."

But she did go back and dissect them later. The twins 
were only the beginning. "It happened again and again. 
At 16 weeks, all the way up to sometimes even 30 weeks, 
we had live births come back to us. Then the doctor would 
either break the neck or take a pair of tongs and beat the
fetus until it was dead."

American Enterprise asked Kelly if abortion procedures 
were ever altered to provide specific body parts. "Yes. 
Before the procedures they would want to see the list 
of what we wanted to procure.

The (abortionist) would get us the most complete, intact 
specimens that he could. They would be delivered to us 
completely intact. Sometimes the fetus appeared to be 
dead, but when we opened up the chest cavity, the
heart was still beating."

The magazine pressed Kelly again: Was the type of 
abortion ever altered to provide an intact specimen, 
even if it meant producing a live baby? "Yes, that was 
so we could sell better tissue. At the end of the year, 
they would give the clinic back more money because 
we got good specimens."

Some practical souls will probably swallow hard and 
insist that, well, if these babies are going to be aborted 
anyway, isn't it better that medical research should 
benefit? No. This isn't like voluntary organ donation.

This reduces human beings to the level of commodities. 
And it creates of doctors who swore an oath never to kill 
the kind of people who can beat a
breathing child to death with tongs.

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Posted by : boris@movil.com
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