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Article #168Re: CIPS is *not* for its members
From: Dennis Miller
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:00
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:00
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I really don't want to do battle but if we're quoting, it shouldn't be out of context. Starting with the quote below and including the complete section following: The state law is above the by-laws of the society, and if the state law empowers members of all corporations to appoint proxies to vote at all business meetings, no by-laws of an incorporated secret society could prevent non-members holding proxies from attending and voting at all business meetings of the society. This should not be the case. With stock corporations it does no harm, because all the business is done by directors, and no proxies are allowed in their meetings, and no one can be present without their consent. But in many societies of the kind mentioned the business is transacted in meetings attended by none but members, and unlimited proxies would be a serious interference with their work. If the state law requires proxy voting in all corporations, it should be limited to the election of officers, including directors, and also the proxies should be required to be held by members of the corporation in all organizations whose primary object is not pecuniary profit. Dennis Miller dennis.miller@home.com or dennis.miller@cgi.ca or dmiller@cips.ca WEB: http://members.home.net/dennis.miller/ > -----Original Message----- > From: CIPS General Discussion List > [mailto:CIPS-L@hermes.csd.unb.ca]On > Behalf Of Tom Ruta > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 5:31 PM > To: CIPS-L@hermes.csd.unb.ca > Subject: Re: CIPS is *not* for its members > > > john_beamish@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > ... > >Please cite the relevant sections of the CIPS > Constitution which have closed > >the meeting to non-members who are in possession > of a valid proxy. ... > > I don't think one exists. At least not in my copy or on > the web. > > This little snippet might be considered on point (from > Robert's) > > "The state law is above the by-laws of the society, and if > the state law empowers members of all corporations to > appoint proxies to vote at all business meetings, > no by-laws > of an incorporated secret society could prevent > non-members > holding proxies from attending and voting at all business > meetings of the society." > > IIRC, there is nothing in the societies act to prevent > proxies, is there? > > Gives one pause, don't it? > > Tom > > ================================================== > ============ > Tom Ruta, ISP "Nunc hoc in marmore > Manager, Information Services non est incision" > Marathon Canada Limited > FAX: (403)262-5324 > PHONE: (403)974-7690 Email: tomruta@marathon.com > > WWW ---> http://www.marathon.com > ================================================== > ============ >
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f56b1,efe17fe17364beff X-Google-Attributes: gidf56b1,public From: Dennis Miller <dennis.miller@home.com> Subject: Re: CIPS is *not* for its members Date: 1999/02/18 Message-ID: <19990218.095030.23947@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca> X-Deja-AN: 445693737 Sender: daemon@unb.ca Organization: UofNB News Gateway, Fredericton, CANADA Reply-To: CIPS General Discussion List <CIPS-L@LISTSERV.UNB.CA> Newsgroups: can.org.cips