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Member comments on sgm

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From: Michael J. MacDonald
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:00
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I would like to have the following  posted as a membership comment on
the SGM
it is a extract from a message sent to cips-l last year.


 I think both sides need to understand that whenever there is a split
such as
 this, each side is trying to do the "RIGHT" thing. I'm sure that from
the
 board perspective they have done the "right thing for CIPS" and since
they
 have done the "right" thing there is nothing to "fix".  I'm sure that
Steve
 was trying to do the "right thing for CIPS"  and ended up in the can
for it.
 Both sides of this mess are TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

 The only way we can get out of this without destroying CIPS for the
other
 side (no matter what side you are on), is to build a common perspective
and
 move forward. It will do NO good to find BLAME.

 If the board and Steve had have been able to recognize this difference
of
 perspective and NEGOTIATED a set of areas to agree and disagree we
would
 probably not be in this mess. Disagreement is healthy!

 Unfortunately it looks like both the board and Steve drew so many lines
in
 the sand that they couldn't or wouldn't move to a new perspective.
There are
 times when even reasonable people have to draw a line in the sand.

 From where I sit, neither side will ever be a winner in this
mess.Either side
 going for a 100% win may succeed and kill CIPS in the process.  Both
sides
 have lost a great deal of respect from members and would be members. We
have
 already lost members because of it.  I'm sure it has been extremely
difficult
 for the board and steve, I can't see any of them being particularly
 interested in doing anything for CIPS after this. AND THAT IS  A BIG
LOSS FOR
 CIPS.

 I hope that the board and Steve understand that the SGM call is method
 for building a least loss consensus position. Assuming there is enough
votes
 for  the SGM. What can happen at the SGM?

 What if there are enough votes to support motion one and the membership

 instructs the board to reinstate steve?

 I ask that the board does not consider this a loss but as an
opportunity to
 move forward in building a new perspective for CIPS.  This is not a win
for
 steve either. The motion 2 committee if supported may end up asking for
his
 resignation.

 What if there is not sufficient support for motion one and steve is not

 reinstated to the board?

 I ask Steve and his supporters not to consider this as a loss but as
starting
 position for building a new energy and direction for change within
cips.
 This is not a win for the board either. Many members will see this as a

 reason to give up on cips, and that will be a big loss for CIPS.

 What if there is sufficient support for motion one and the board
rejects the
 wishes of the membership?

 It would be a very bad idea.

 What if there is enough support for the motion 2 committee?

 This is neither a win or a loss for both sides. This is an opportunity
to
 understand what happen and to move forward, and to ensure this does not

 happen again in the future.

 What if there is not enough support for the motion 2 committee?

 This I think IS a great loss for cips. If we don't understand what
happened
 and the reasons for what happened CIPS will be divided forever. How can
we
 make sure the questions outstanding will not remain to fester and erupt
again
 and again.

 What happens if motion 3 is supported?

 CIPS is out of pocket for steve's lawyer's fees.

 What happens if motion 3 is not supported?

 Steve is out of pocket for his lawyers fees.

 I would have loved to spent my last year in the business watching CIPS
grow
 from where I left rather than trying to rescue it from destruction.

 Steve Gallinger, Andrew Patterson and I sat around a  campfire in NS
last
 year and spent a long late night talking about if CIPS was worth the
fight.
 If CIPS is the voice and champion of the IT profession it was, but it
had to
 be representing the views of the membership as a bottom up not a top
down
 organization. If it was going to be the voice and champion it has to
listen
 to the members, that was my line in the sand.

 Mike
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