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>On Tue, 16 Apr 1996, Ken Chapman <chapmank@cuug.ab.ca> wrote:
>Fellow professionals -
>
>I strongly agree with the position Charlie has taken re working
>cooperatively with other professions.  In Alberta I have had the
>occassion to meet the head of the Engineering Association - APEGGA - as
>we discussed the formation of CIPS Alberta and the registration of our
>professional designation in Alberta.  Mr. DeVenny was very supportive and
>offered to provide advice and assistance for our emerging profession.

Ken, I agree with you in principle (maybe the first time ever, eh? <grin>).

But the fact of the matter is that other professional organizations would
dearly love (as the current Eaton's Dept. store commercial goes...) to be your
IT services provider.  This is evidenced by the large dollars spent by
engineers and CAs to show that _they_ are the leaders in delivering IS
solutions.  I mean really, (localized) ads in Time magazine; TV commercials
and other media excursions.  What is an ISP, a CEO (or the general public, for
that matter?) supposed to think?

And the IT profession is not alone in this type of inter-organizational "turf
war".  Right now, AAMOF, in my wife's profession (physical therapy) the
chiropractors of Quebec and Canada (their political line, not mine, BTW) are
lobbying nationally to be the "preferred providers" of back and spine therapy
(manipulation).  They have indicated that they, and they ALONE want to be
given the legislated right to "crack your back".  A pretty aggressive and well
funded bunch (apparently over half an million bucks in ad money this year,
BTW) -- for disciples of a former Cleveland fishmonger.

>
>I know that we all seek the best for our profession.  I strongly believe
>that the IT sector can be a strong contributor to our society in the
>coming decades.  If we are spending our energies fighting turf wars here
>in Canada, other players in the international scene will gain an
>advantage.  I would encourage all of us to keep the bigger picture in mind.
>


I have no problem with concentrating on the big picture and the issue at hand:
promoting IT as a profession and getting CIPS to be the "licensor" of IS
professionals through ISP, but it is naive, IMO, to assume that these other
organizations are completely altruistic in their approach to IS services and
certification.

"It doesn't matter if you are on the right track -- you'll still get run over
if you just sit there!"


Tom

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   Tom Ruta, ISP                     "Nunc hoc in marmore
   Manager, Information Services       non est incision"
   Tarragon Oil and Gas Limited
   FAX:   (403)262-5324
   PHONE: (403)974-7690          Email: rutat@cadvision.com

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>On Mon, 15 Apr 1996, Charlie Whitfield wrote:
>
>> I couldn't let this one pass as hard as I tried. As an IS professional
>> for the past 15 years and a P. Eng in Ontario I see a lot more room for
>> forging co-operative bonds and partnerships that engaging in "turf"
>> fights and innuendos about each others motives and qualifications.
>>
>> Any takers?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 1996 rutat@CADVISION.COM wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, 14 Apr 1996, Ron Baugh <rbaugh@CCINET.AB.CA> wrote:
>> > >To the Anonymous Sender (and any others who care to read this)
>> > <snipped>
>> >
>> > > I for one would prefer to take a hand in shaping my own future
>> > >rather than (for example) becoming a subordinate offshoot to the
>> > >Professional Engineers of this country.
>> >
>> > Actually, according to their advertizing, both the CAs and Engineers
probably
>> > wouldn't have any of us.  Both groups have advertized heavily (at least
in
>> > ALberta) in all forms of media to suggest that they are the IS
professionals
>> > of the future!
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > Tom
>> > ==============================================================
>> >    Tom Ruta, ISP                     "Nunc hoc in marmore
>> >    Manager, Information Services       non est incision"
>> >    Tarragon Oil and Gas Limited
>> >    FAX:   (403)262-5324
>> >    PHONE: (403)974-7690          Email: rutat@cadvision.com
>> >
>> >      WWW ---> http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~rutat/togl.html
>> > ==============================================================
>> >
>>
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