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In his response to Don Duncan, Marty R. Milette wrote:

>My biggest gripe about the ISP process is that it completely ignores
>those of us who've been working in the industry for years but didn't
>>have the luxury of a College or University education. Many of us are
>self-trained and/or have taken highly-specialized courses appropriate
>to our field of work.
>
>Until some means of recognizing ones efforts outside the academic
>world exist, the ISP designation will mean little more than the
>University or College certificate behind it.

<snip>

As you have already been informed in several replies, CIPS and the I.S.P.
certification process do indeed recognize a professional experience only
qualification for certification (12 yrs & in the field before '76). While I
don't personally agree with the before '76 requirement (ABAT ... Another
Battle, Another Time), I do believe the 12 yrs experience is fair. The
reason is that one's base level of knowledge of concepts, discipline,
methods, etc. is very difficult to determine objectiveley when it is based
on OJT, tightly focussed or vendor specific training or some of the many
other educational vehicles available today.

> ... our
>most important skills for the next decade will be to LEARN, RELEARN and
>UNLEARN.

<snipping again>

This fact is very strongly recognized (as has been mentioned in at least one
other response) in the recertification requirement for continuing education
(300 hours over three years on a rolling average basis).

>By the way, I know what the 'canned' response will be, "take the ICCP
>exams and we'll recognize you". My response is simply that why should I
>have to spend hundreds of dollars and days of time to write
>introductory-level exams for things that I've been trained, tested and
>certified to do and have been doing for years, simply because CIPS
>doesn't recognize the organization that trained me.

Why? Because it provides a very clear and objective yard stick of that base
level of knowledge I was talking about earlier. In fact, it is quite common
in many professional designations to require all prospective candidates to
write 'entrance exams' on their respective bodies of knowledger before they
are formally considered for certification, regardless of educational
credentials (some even before qualifying work experience can be gained).
This is, in fact, something I hope that the Certification Council considers
to 'raise the bar' for qualification once CIPS has established its own exam.

... "The opinions expressed in forgoing ramblings are the opinions of the
author only and should  in no way be construed as the opinions of
management." ... :)

Regards Fletch

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Mike Fletcher, CISA, I.S.P. (fletcherm@cuug.ab.ca)

Secretary, CIPS Calgary
Director, Membership / Registration, CIPS Alberta