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In article <19951221.095152.20700@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>,
Michael J. MacDonald I.S.P. <mikemac@unb.ca> wrote:
>> I'd be a little more discerning before you thanked him for blacklisting
>> an innocent party.  Those postings were forged.  They did not come
>> from John Groseclose, caradoc@neta.com.  They were injected by persons
>> unknown on goodnet.net and megaweb.com.

>Usually the forgers don't give a return address as the posters,
>unless they really do want to

> a) flood/cause grief/loss of reputation for  an unsuspecting victim.

You got it.  This is the third time some juvenile idiot has done this
to John.  And you helped the delinquent by blindly assuming that the
message came from John, where a quick perusal would have shown you
otherwise.

Did you send mail to him?  Or just have his access pulled?  Getting
him disconnected without giving him a chance to defend himself
is a little far don't you think?  How would you like it if we had
your access terminated without you even knowing?

> b) generate email lists for later use.  (usually for further spam)

>If the person is truely a unsuspecting victim in this get him to send
>me a note describing what happen and what they are doing to make sure
>it doesn't happen again and I will make a request to the listserv
>admin to have the person reinstated.

Get him to send _you_ a note?  You were the one who took the action.
He's the victim.  I suggest you contact him.  He won't bite.  I promise.

I have an alternate suggestion.  You go look in news.admin.net-abuse.misc,
and look up his name.  Then look up mine.  Then look up the postings
entitled:

EMP/ECP cancelled (Spam for Freedom of Porn: caradoc@neta.com (John Groseclose)) @@NCM

Subject: EMP/ECP cancelled (FREE SEX PICTURES & VIDEOS: caradoc@neta.com (John Groseclose)) @@NCM

Notice who wrote them (me), and what I did (cancelled them, including
the one in this group).  Then look for postings from jem@pal.postech.ac.kr -
he's cancelled over 2500 of them.

Then notice that John Groseclose specifically asked for us to automatically
kill any forged posting that has his name on it.  Jem is doing this too.
So is Otto Makore in Germany.

I think you should request that the ban get lifted.  _Now_.

An apology to John would probably be appreciated too.

Oh, and by the way, this is what you can tell the list maintainers
to do: reject any message coming from caradoc@neta.com that does _not_
have "neta.com" in the message-id.  They can confirm that with
caradoc@neta.com.

Please be more discerning, and take the minimal step of comparing
the From: line to the Message-Id, and questioning things when
they differ before you get people blacklisted.  Blacklisting without
giving them a chance to defend themselves is a disgrace.