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Date: Sat, October 8, 2011 7:50 am
From: "Dennis & Hazel Young"
Subject: Gun registry a suicide prevention issue: Physicians

VANCOUVER SUN - OCTOBER 8, 2011
Letter: Gun registry a suicide prevention issue: Physicians
BY ALAN DRUMMOND
http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion/registry+suicide+prevention+issue+Physicians/5523248/story.html

Re: Gun killings unaffected by firearm control, Oct. 6
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/killings+unaffected+firearm+control/5510596/story.html

The Conservative's principal argument has been that the provisions of the
Gun Control Bill have not been effective as a crime control measure and that
the bill victimizes rural, long gun owners. They conveniently forget that 75
per cent of firearms deaths in Canada are due to suicide. Rural Canadians
are overrepresented in this sad statistic and the great majority of these
are caused by long guns. For Canada's emergency physicians, the issue of gun
control is not that of crime control but rather as suicide prevention.
Overall, firearm-related suicides decreased by 43 per cent since the
introduction of stricter gun laws in 1991 and by 23 per cent since the
introduction of the Firearms Act in 1995. This issue deserves our attention
with respect to gun control, particularly during a week when we have heard
impassioned speeches on the floor of the House Of Commons about a national
strategy for the prevention of suicide.

Alan Drummond, MD Chair, Public Affairs, Canadian Association of Emergency
Physicians

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SUICIDES BY FIREARM AND BY HANGING

               ALL     GUN     ROPE
1991 3593 1110 1034
1992 3704 1050 1151
1993 3803 1054 1234
1994 3746 975 1270
1995 3968 916 1382
1996 3937 883 1414
1997 3677 818 1409
1998 3698 818 1434
1999 4073 807 1755
2000 3605 685 1546
2001 3688 651 1509
2002 3648 633 1570
2003 3765 618 1662
2004 3613 568 1590
2005 3743 593 1682
2006 3512 586 1529
2007 3611 534 1551

Source: Statistics Canada, Canadian Vital Statistics, Death Database

http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/hlth66a-eng.htm

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Amazing that gun grabbers think that someone who wants to commit suicide 
will be prevented if there are no guns. 

On 08 Oct 2011, you wrote in talk.politics.guns:

> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Sat, October 8, 2011 7:50 am
> From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" 
> Subject: Gun registry a suicide prevention issue: Physicians
> 
> VANCOUVER SUN - OCTOBER 8, 2011
> Letter: Gun registry a suicide prevention issue: Physicians
> BY ALAN DRUMMOND
> http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion/registry+suicide+prevention+issue+Phy
> sicians/5523248/story.html 
> 
> Re: Gun killings unaffected by firearm control, Oct. 6
> http://www.vancouversun.com/news/killings+unaffected+firearm+control/5510
> 596/story.html 
> 
> The Conservative's principal argument has been that the provisions of
> the Gun Control Bill have not been effective as a crime control measure
> and that the bill victimizes rural, long gun owners. They conveniently
> forget that 75 per cent of firearms deaths in Canada are due to suicide.
> Rural Canadians are overrepresented in this sad statistic and the great
> majority of these are caused by long guns. For Canada's emergency
> physicians, the issue of gun control is not that of crime control but
> rather as suicide prevention. Overall, firearm-related suicides
> decreased by 43 per cent since the introduction of stricter gun laws in
> 1991 and by 23 per cent since the introduction of the Firearms Act in
> 1995. This issue deserves our attention with respect to gun control,
> particularly during a week when we have heard impassioned speeches on
> the floor of the House Of Commons about a national strategy for the
> prevention of suicide. 
> 
> Alan Drummond, MD Chair, Public Affairs, Canadian Association of
> Emergency Physicians
> 
> - --------------------------
> 
> SUICIDES BY FIREARM AND BY HANGING
> 
>                ALL     GUN     ROPE
> 1991     3593     1110     1034
> 1992     3704     1050     1151
> 1993     3803     1054     1234
> 1994     3746     975     1270
> 1995     3968     916     1382
> 1996     3937     883     1414
> 1997     3677     818     1409
> 1998     3698     818     1434
> 1999     4073     807     1755
> 2000     3605     685     1546
> 2001     3688     651     1509
> 2002     3648     633     1570
> 2003     3765     618     1662
> 2004     3613     568     1590
> 2005     3743     593     1682
> 2006     3512     586     1529
> 2007     3611     534     1551
> 
> Source: Statistics Canada, Canadian Vital Statistics, Death Database
> 
> http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/hlth66a-eng.htm
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

Please demonstrate how it's done.

-- 
Words of wisdom

What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage.

On 08 Oct 2011, you wrote in alt.guns:

> SUICIDES BY FIREARM AND BY HANGING
> 
>                ALL     GUN     ROPE
> 1991     3593     1110     1034
> 1992     3704     1050     1151
> 1993     3803     1054     1234
> 1994     3746     975     1270
> 1995     3968     916     1382
> 1996     3937     883     1414
> 1997     3677     818     1409
> 1998     3698     818     1434
> 1999     4073     807     1755
> 2000     3605     685     1546
> 2001     3688     651     1509
> 2002     3648     633     1570
> 2003     3765     618     1662
> 2004     3613     568     1590
> 2005     3743     593     1682
> 2006     3512     586     1529
> 2007     3611     534     1551
> 
> Source: Statistics Canada, Canadian Vital Statistics, Death Database

The overall number of suicides is unaffected.

So, what's your point? If someone doesn't use a gun to commit suicide,
they're not really dead? 

And, why are you claiming to be with the Canadian government?

-- 
bert@iphouse.com	St. Paul, MN

I recall suicide rates were much higher in Japan and they use knives.

Here's a chart of worldwide rates:

http://chartsbin.com/view/prm

Canadian physicians cannot be that stupid to not have researched this.

In news:j6q404$a7s$1@dont-email.me Frank
<frankperiodlogullo@comcast.net> wrote: 

> I recall suicide rates were much higher in Japan and they use knives.

The suicide rate in Japan exceeds the US suicide and homicide rates
combined.

And you're right, they somehow manage to do that without using guns.

-- 
bert@iphouse.com	St. Paul, MN

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:15:30 -0400, Frank <frankperiodlogullo@comcast.net>
wrote:

|>I recall suicide rates were much higher in Japan and they use knives.
|>
|>Here's a chart of worldwide rates:
|>
|>http://chartsbin.com/view/prm
|>
|>Canadian physicians cannot be that stupid to not have researched this.

	Also the "China White" O.D. rates are more than the Chinese Guvmint
will ever admit......

	Most got too immune to it in the Dope Dens, and proly died of Heroin
Poisoning which around here is about 300caps/papers<-->>100 Bindles of Smack
a day, some $3,000 a day from the factory, about the same as the Mexican
Cartel goners......and I can say around the world.

	I'd wanna OD on a Hot Cap rather than plug myself in the head....you
can play Jap/Russian roulette, and win lots of loot, but the contestants and
waiting lists are about the same as UFC/MMA fighters.

Bob

	OOOPS CORRECTION:

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 19:48:29 -0700, R. LaCasse <falun_gong@beijing.info>
wrote:

|>Most got too immune to it in the Dope Dens, and proly died of Heroin
|>Poisoning which around here is about 300caps/papers<-->>100 Bindles of Smack
|>a day, some $3,000 a day from the factory, about the same as the Mexican
|>Cartel goners......and I can say around the world.

	That's 300caps/papers<-->>10 Bindles/Bundles of Smack a day........

	At that point of no return, your skin turns reddish and you die of
Heroin Poisoning.....like the Grateful Dead.

Bob

On 10/8/2011 11:15 AM, Frank wrote:
> I recall suicide rates were much higher in Japan and they use knives.
>
> Here's a chart of worldwide rates:
>
> http://chartsbin.com/view/prm
>
> Canadian physicians cannot be that stupid to not have researched this.
>
Canadian physicians ar the "B" team. They work for socialized medicine 
money.

On 10/9/2011 12:24 PM, Sanders wrote:
> On 10/8/2011 11:15 AM, Frank wrote:
>> I recall suicide rates were much higher in Japan and they use knives.
>>
>> Here's a chart of worldwide rates:
>>
>> http://chartsbin.com/view/prm
>>
>> Canadian physicians cannot be that stupid to not have researched this.
>>
> Canadian physicians ar the "B" team. They work for socialized medicine
> money.

I liken it to global warming where the politically correct 
interpretation is used.  Physicians and scientists are not immune to 
this and won't bite the hand that feeds them.

In both cases Canadian physicians and US climatologists practically all 
work for the government.  To propose something contrary to what the 
government wants could be a career dampening decision.

X-Body

No matter what self defence is a fundamental natural right.  Also a right to personal security is a 
right and freedom, the registry violates this.

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 08:33:13 -0700, in van.general "VPD Det." <VanduPoliceDept@gov.bc.ca> wrote:

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�Date: Sat, October 8, 2011 7:50 am
�From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" 
�Subject: Gun registry a suicide prevention issue: Physicians
�
�VANCOUVER SUN - OCTOBER 8, 2011
�Letter: Gun registry a suicide prevention issue: Physicians
�BY ALAN DRUMMOND
�http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion/registry+suicide+prevention+issue+Physicians/5523248/story.html
�
�Re: Gun killings unaffected by firearm control, Oct. 6
�http://www.vancouversun.com/news/killings+unaffected+firearm+control/5510596/story.html
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�The Conservative's principal argument has been that the provisions of the
�Gun Control Bill have not been effective as a crime control measure and that
�the bill victimizes rural, long gun owners. They conveniently forget that 75
�per cent of firearms deaths in Canada are due to suicide. Rural Canadians
�are overrepresented in this sad statistic and the great majority of these
�are caused by long guns. For Canada's emergency physicians, the issue of gun
�control is not that of crime control but rather as suicide prevention.
�Overall, firearm-related suicides decreased by 43 per cent since the
�introduction of stricter gun laws in 1991 and by 23 per cent since the
�introduction of the Firearms Act in 1995. This issue deserves our attention
�with respect to gun control, particularly during a week when we have heard
�impassioned speeches on the floor of the House Of Commons about a national
�strategy for the prevention of suicide.
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�Alan Drummond, MD Chair, Public Affairs, Canadian Association of Emergency
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�SUICIDES BY FIREARM AND BY HANGING
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�               ALL     GUN     ROPE
�1991	3593	1110	1034
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�1993	3803	1054	1234
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�2004	3613	568	1590
�2005	3743	593	1682
�2006	3512	586	1529
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�Source: Statistics Canada, Canadian Vital Statistics, Death Database
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