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Check out the MBA program offered by the Open University at
http://www.open.ac.uk
You can request their brochure using an online form.
It's not in the US, of course, but it's surely a lot less than 60K and 
boasts the highest enrollment in Europe.

Steve M Franklin, sparing no expense, chose to grace us with:
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>Also, for a student who receives a degree in the U.S., what is the likelihood
>of receiving a U.S. employment position upon graduating from your degree?
>Is qualifying for resident status or a work visa an incredibly frustrating
>process? I assume it requires finding an interested employer in advance,
>and planning ahead to have the paperwork prepared. Any information on this
>scenario?
>
As I understand it, at the masters level it is difficult to get a US employment 
visa.  I have been told by several PHd's that one reason they earned PHds was 
that, as foreigners, it was much easier to get permission to stay and work in 
the us after earning their Phd than after their MS.

If you have an employeer that wants you, then it is easier to get the needed 
work permits.

Dealing with INS on your own is very frustrating and complicated.  It can be 
done, and many Canadians do it, it just ain't easy.  To bad NAFTA didn't 
include a work provision, ala the EC's.

Good luck,

jlc

In article <56r3ro$4ot@pixel.ee.tuns.ca>, franklin@pixel.ee.tuns.ca says...
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>I have been looking into the available financial arrangements for a 
>Canadian student who wishes to study in the U.S., and have been somewhat
>discouraged by what I have discovered. I have been contemplating a Ph.D.
>in the U.S., but am also interested in pursuing an MBA. With a Ph.D., it
>seems that the grad student is more highly prized if their background is
>impressive - as a consequence, often tuition is waived and a stipend
>is provided for the student. However, an MBA to a top school in the U.S.
>results in a 60K or higher price tag as tuition does not get waived and
>scholarships for international students are non-existant (or so it seems).
>Is there something I'm missing, or is an MBA in the U.S. for a Canadian
>(or any international student) a bit of a luxury unless your company pays?

I think an MBA (or any other professional degree, for that matter) can 
be looked at as "a bit of a luxury" in that you're going to pay for it.
Americans pay just as much in tuition as foreigners at professional schools,
I believe.  Similarly, for graduate school (i.e. PhD programs), at least
in science and engineering, tuition is generally waived for anyone that
gets in, American or foreign.  And everyone (at least here at Caltech) gets
a livable stipend.  It is harder for the school to fund us foreign students,
because they can't use federal funds (NIH, NSF, etc.) for us.  When I was
interviewing, I was told "your application looks great, but we'll have to
wait and see if we have enough funding this year to take you."   As it turned
out, I got an outside fellowship from a private foundation, so that made
life easier.  Coming from Canada you can also apply to take an NSERC out of
the country.  It's not great, because of the exchange rate, but it's better
than nothing.

>Also, for a student who receives a degree in the U.S., what is the likelihood
>of receiving a U.S. employment position upon graduating from your degree?
>Is qualifying for resident status or a work visa an incredibly frustrating
>process? I assume it requires finding an interested employer in advance,
>and planning ahead to have the paperwork prepared. Any information on this
>scenario?

Haven't been through it yet, so I don't have any direct knowledge about this.
I have a Canadian friend here who just accepted a faculty position at Cornell,
so it certainly can be done.  I heard that under NAFTA, it's easier for
Canadians to work in the U.S. and vice versa, but again I haven't gotten
to that point yet.  
>
>   Many thanks in advance for your replies.
>
You're welcome, good luck!

- Hannah Dvorak (B.Sc. Queen's '92, PhD Caltech '9X???)

-- 
Hannah Dvorak
hdvorak@cns.caltech.edu

Steve M Franklin (franklin@pixel.ee.tuns.ca) wrote:

: is provided for the student. However, an MBA to a top school in the U.S.
: results in a 60K or higher price tag as tuition does not get waived and
: scholarships for international students are non-existant (or so it seems).

Yes, most of the MBA students that I have met at the school I work at
either pay thier own way, or are sponsered by a government agency or
private corporation.  My experience is, however, with the high end
schools, you may want to consider some of the schools that allow part-time
study, or evening classes.  The overwhelming majority of the students at
the school I work at are from wealthy backgrounds.  If you are hell bent
on attending one of the big name schools, and aren't wealthy or don't have
a sponsor, maybe 60,000 dollars worth of loans would be worth it.  The
connections you will make at a big name school may pay off.  Good luck.