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"People like you also leaped to the conclusion that the world was flat,
that the sun went around the earth, etc, etc, etc, because they lacked
the intellectual tools to enquire and learn." ["Arthur Brain"
<arthur_brain@hotmail.com>]

Actually the notion that "they thought the world was flat and that heaven
was just above the blue dome above us, where God peaked down at us through
holes in the sky (stars)" isn't a view of the cosmology that pervaded the
theological and philosophical intellectual conceptions of 20BCE to 50CE as
Philo of Alexandria being a pre-eminant Jewish authority of his time,
appears aware that the planets are spheres and had a normal and retrograde
orbit:

[#73, #51, #31, #21 - Guiding and the Physical/ Emptying the Heart/ #23,
#59]
VII. "But we must now consider what the figurative allusions are which are
enigmatically expressed in the mention of the Cherubim and of the flaming
sword {note: #26 gives Solar/Chronos as a rationale and #28 gives reason as
its meaning; cf #1; #11; #21; #26; #28; #30; #31} which turned every way.
May we not say that Moses {taken out; drawn forth} here introduces under a
figure an intimation of the revolutions of the whole heaven? {ie. 7x6 = 42
representing all possible combinations of the day within the month} For the
spheres in the heaven received a motion in opposite directions to one
another, the one sphere receiving a fixed motion towards the right hand, but
the sphere of the other side receiving a wandering motion towards the left."

Furthermore, the metaphor that the sun and the moon are sub-ordinate to a
natural, regulative and metempirical power as transcendent principle in
consequence of Providence, is that which Philo of Alexandria 20BCE-50CE as
Jewish political and theological propagandist, was unable to trace out
accurately [concerning] the respective natures and powers of each, therefore
[except to say that eclipses are a natural consequence of the rules which
regulate the divine natures of the sun and moon, and is otherwise] reduced
to silence about them.

This notion that Divine Providence is determined by the 'oth {signs}
chronological principle as being 6J or 294 years may be associated with the
Telos as the Topical year/day solar eclipse Monday 25 December, 2000 + 6
days = 122J3W1D: "For eclipses are a natural consequence of the rules which
regulate the divine natures of the sun and moon; and they are indications
either of the impending death of some king, or the destruction of some city
[or] to such events as the consequences of the omens {'oth-signs} which I
have now been mentioning. ... For as the sun and moon exist in consequence
of Providence, so also do all things in heaven, even though we are unable to
trace out accurately the respective natures and powers of each, therefore,
reduced to silence about them." [Philo of Alexandria 20BCE-50CE, On
Providence II: 50, 52]

- dolf
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html#AXIOM4>

"Arthur Brain" <arthur_brain@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Arthur Brain wrote:
> > Now give me some evidence that your god exists and that he does the
> > things you credit him for.
>
> Why, I'm talking to you, a remarkably complex creation of systems all
> working together to allow you to live and breathe.  I think creation
> screams out God's glory.  It's unexplainable without God in the equation.

Please explain.

What is your theory and how can I empirically test it rests on solid,
observable  facts?

People like you also leaped to the conclusion that the world was flat,
that the sun went around the earth, etc, etc, etc, because they lacked
the intellectual tools to enquire and learn.

The pyramids were unexplainable to some, so they assumed they were
built by exrta-terrestrial aliens.

You should never assume an answer because you are unable to think of
ways to properly investigate the question - your "answer" will be
likely devoid of truth and a product of various pre-conceived
subjective notions.

> > Prove it.
>
> I don't think you have the capacity to understand the proof.  It

In other words you lack the intelligence or the knowledge to support
your superstitious belief. Quelle surprise.

> requires a searching heart.

Would this be a "searching heart" as in the Spanish Inquisition, or
would it rather be the searching heart of those that went against the
stupidity of religion in order to bring us knowledge of the true
nature of our planet, its place in the cosmos, and the physical
phenomena which make things act and appear as they do?

Did "God" explain light waves to us? Did "God" enable us to put 10Gb/s
down a fibre-optic cable, or did we investigate the Truth of what
happens around us and learn how to use it?

>  If you are not interested in God, He will

I am interested in anything that is True.

> not force Himself upon you.  But if you humble yourself, talk to Him,

What's his number?

Or would I require some special mushrooms for this particular
"conversation"?

> seek Him out and turn from your sins, He will hear you, forgive you and
> heal your life.

You're the one that needs healing - you hold irrational dogmatic
beliefs that cause just as much evil and damage as materialism does.