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So Peter,

Just answer these as best you can ...

1. If I said Enfilade, grazing fire from defilade position - what would that
describing and where would I be  ?
2. What was the range of GPMG M60 on bipod without C2 Sights?
3. What was the muzzle velocity of an SLR ?
4. Did anyone ever show you how to make a SLR full auto with a match ?
5. Can you describe the inside of the SGTs Mess at QUR.
    5.1         Where is it ?
    5.2         I walk in the door - the bar is on my ....
    5.3         Out the back is a ....
6.     A QUR SLR was lost once where was it found ?
7.     Do you remember a Peter Lindsay, Sgt Wayne Hinton or a Sgt Peterson ?


Troy Ellis





"Peter" <turned.up@the.side> wrote in message
news:MPG.19dc25946f48b39498a0c4@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> In article <3f7166e1@news.comindico.com.au>, fake@address.com says...
> >
> > "Peter" <turned.up@the.side> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.19db828a22334f8798a0b9@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > > In article <3f70c235$1@news.comindico.com.au>, fake@address.com
says...
> > > > This isssue has been discussed AND is resolved .. Peter Mackey
(Mackay)
> > > > served in the University of Queensland Regiment .. he was never in
the ARMY
> > > > as we regulars (ex and current) understand it, simply a weekend
schoolie
> > > > warrior . he may well have attained the rank of sergeant although
those
> > > > ranks are pretty worthless as their not indicative of hard work and
> > > > achiement .. merely showing up regularly.
> > >
> > > LOL! If only that were true - I would have been drawing a sergeant's
pay
> > > after the first year.
> >
> > I'm sure a sergeant in the regulars would back me up on that.
>
> People don't get promoted above Lance-Corporal in the Australian Army for
> "merely showing up regularly". I certainly had to pass my promotion
> subjects and then be recommended for promotion. In my day there were two
> subjects. Sub 1 was a generic course on things like giving instructional
> lessons, military law, administration and whatever else was deemed
> necessary for the rank. Sub 2 was corps-specific. I was required to know
> things like small-unit infantry tactics, characteristics of weapons, both
> friendly and enemy, unit organisations and so on. Artillery Sub 2 would
> cover different material, Armour, Engineers and so on would all have their
> own versions of the subject, but the end result was the same: you'd know
> and have practiced all the duties of the promotion rank.
>
> > > > This fact is not in question .. what appears to be in question here
is
> > > > whether or not the reserves is considered "being in the army" ..
regulars
> > > > say it isn't, reservists say it is ...    it's opinion and as such
there is
> > > > no right or wrong answer.
> > >
> > > What you're struggling to say is that part-time soldiers are not
full-time
> > > soldiers. The reality is that in both World Wars the Australian
soldiers
> > > doing the fighting were reserves and the regular army stayed home.
> >
> > I'm not struggling to say anything .. the fact is that regulars feel
that
> > weekend warriors are a joke and for the most part they're right.
>
> Well, that's different to what you were struggling to say above. The
simple
> fact is that members of the Army Reserve are soldiers and an integral part
> of the Army.
>
> >  Sure they
> > fought in the wars but you went nowhere and did nothing did you .
>
> For which I am eternally grateful. There weren't any wars to go to during
> my time. I wish it were so now.
>
> At the moment it is different, because we are involved in various
conflicts
> and commitments and Reserve soldiers are serving alongside Regulars.
> >
> > The reality is that most of the soldiers that went off to WW1, WW2,
Vietnam
> > etc were regulars ...
>
> Crap. The soldiers who fought in the two World Wars were NOT Regular Army.
> The permanent forces stayed home. After the war we changed strategy. We
> didn't raise expeditionary forces "for the duration", we sent Regular
units
> off to Korea, Borneo, Malaysia and Vietnam.
>
> If you don't believe me, go look up a few sources.
>
> "Part-time voluntary defence units have played an important part in
> Australian defence since early colonial days. The strategic rationale for
> raising and maintaining part-time forces, the relative priority they have
> received in defence planning, the budgetary allocations they have
> attracted, their numerical strengths and standards of training and
> equipment, however, have all changed markedly, especially during the
> twentieth century.
>
> "Most notably, part-time forces comprised essentially the Army up until
the
> end of the Second World War. In the period since, the part-time forces in
> all three Services have been largely relegated to the status of reserves
> with a role of providing support to more operationally ready and better
> resourced permanent forces."
>
> http://www.defence.gov.au/reserves/ "Reserves History" tab.
>
> > every day Aussies who chose to take up arms to fight
> > the good fight and they did so with honour for the most part ..
>
> Sure. But the Anzac legend was created by citizen soldiers who joined
units
> raised locally, went overseas, and came back when the conflict was done.
> Very few of the regular army went overseas - for the most part we simply
> didn't have enough of them to constitute any sort of fighting force.
>
> > running
> > around the bush of the University of Queensland doesn't come close to
> > stalking the VC through the forests of Vietnam no matter how much
dreaming
> > you do.
>
> Not much bush at U of Q. But I'm not trying to pretend that QUR was any
> sort of combat unit. Even if there *had* been a war going on, it would
have
> had to be pretty desperate for Uni Regiments to be thrown into the fray.
>
> > > http://www.chapter-one.com/vc/award.asp?vc=802 gives details of one
such
> > > citizen soldier. There were many more like him, and I trust still are
in
> > > today's Army, both Regular and Reserve.
> >
> > You're dreaming Peter.
>
> Simple historical fact. And I have no doubt that there are other soldiers,
> both Regular and Reserve, who could win a VC if the circumstances
> permitted.
>
> > The time between Vietnam and the 1st Gulf war were
> > different years from the past and the present .. an unprecedent time of
> > peace reigned through there and the weekend warriors did nothing but a
> > little community service if their OC's deemed it fitting.
>
> Uh, yeah. There were no wars to go to.
>
> > > But perhaps, to be consistent, you might like to agree that according
to
> > > your own argument, Peter Lucas wasn't a soldier during his time with
QUR
> > > and other Reserve units. And that he, like me, is now a civilian.
> >
> > I agree that reservists are not soldiers.
>
> That's just plain wrong. Army Reserve soldiers are soldiers.
>
> "In today's Army, you can choose either to work full-time or part-time. It
> all depends on what you would like to do. If you prefer full-time work
> there is the Regular Army, and if you're after part-time work there's the
> Army Reserve. Whether you choose full-time or part-time work, you'll
become
> part of one of the largest and most professional organisations in
> Australia."
> http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/careers_explorer/ArmySEReservebody.html
>
> >   I cannot comment at Peter Lucas'
> > military history as I have no knowledge of it.
>
> He claims to have spent a few years in QUR. You're saying he wasn't a
> soldier during that time. That's your opinion.
>
> > > I've sertainly never claimed to have been a Regular soldier.
> >
> > As I pointed out.
>
> What's that supposed to mean? You're agreeing with me?
>
> > > I've spent
> > > time with Reg units on exercise and done Regular Army courses to gain
> > > qualifications I needed, but that's par for the course, especially
> > nowadays
> > > where units can be a mix of Regular and Reserve. QUR. for example, is
a
> > > subunit of the Royal Military College, and QUR officers have always
worn
> > > CSC puggarees.
> >
> > However, your weekend warrioring ended many years ago so what happens
now is
> > irrelevant.
>
> That's the whole point. I got out twenty years ago. I'm not a soldier.
>
> > It should be noted that the reserves are a very different
> > organisation now than they were 10 years ago with the government
changing
> > the rules to suit themselves.
>
> As opposed to someone else changing the rules?
>
> > > The Chief of the Army and the Chief of the Defence Force have opinions
> > that
> > > differ from yours.
> >
> > Do they?
>
> yup. According to what they say in public.
>
> >  I was given the opportunity to gain insight into the opinions of a
> > few of them and I'd have to disagree with you on that.
>
> Please. Give details.
>
> > > Shall I quote from their various speeches, all available
> > > through Defence websites?
> >
> > Nope.   But when you've personally spoken with them come let me know.
>
> Are you trying to say that our senior military leaders say one thing in
> widely reported speeches, and another in private audiences with you, and
> that your version supersedes the official version?