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Article #14791Re: Freesurf nur noch 2MB Mails?!?
From: Marc SCHAEFER
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:59
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:59
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Alain Wyss <alain.wyss@team.bluewin.com> wrote: > 8.3... in alten Tagen konnten File-Namen unter Dos und Windows nur 8 > Zeichen, nen Punkt, und nochmal 3 Zeichen haben. Sieht man noch heute in der > Dos-Shell mittels eines "dir /x" They still aren't really stored natively normally (ie read: long) on Windows 95, 98 and other similar environments. The long (ie normal) name is still stored as an artifact (see below). Infact, it is a common problem when securing WWW servers by file-name access: there is always a MS-DOS compatibility filename lying around, or a new old strange way to name the file. Plagues Microsoft Windows NT (and possibly 2000) as well, even on NTFS (when the MS-DOS mangling hasn't been disabled --- if you disable it you will have problems when non NT clients access the filesystem through SMB, for example --- I am no Microsoft proprietary environment expert, though). The OS (well, hum) stores the file name on a MS-DOS filesystem (aka FAT) as a (dynamically) mangled 8+3 file like usual, and then uses device-type entries in the directory to store longer versions. This maintains a level of compatibility with the plain old MS-DOS filesystem. The question whether those device-type entries were part of the (old) plan to merge MS-DOS and Xenix (Microsoft's implementation of UNIX) that was intended infact to kill UNIX at that time (as the MacOS/MS-DOS merge that was announced about 1987, and never happened, e.g.) is left to the reader :) With NTFS I don't know how it works, but at least there, the hack is for the `compatibility' name, not for the long (ie: normal) file name, which is better. It's typically that kind of stuff that has absolutely no interest in properly designed systems. Or only when you have to care about compatibility with Microsoft, in short with legacy systems.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 11008d,dd1a18158fa12b8c X-Google-Attributes: gid11008d,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2000-12-28 01:35:13 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!alphanet.ch!not-for-mail From: Marc SCHAEFER <schaefer@alphanet.ch> Newsgroups: ch.admin Subject: Re: Freesurf nur noch 2MB Mails?!? Supersedes: <92evav$6l5$1@vulcan.alphanet.ch> Date: 28 Dec 2000 09:59:18 +0100 Organization: ALPHANET NF -- Not for profit telecom research Lines: 35 Message-ID: <92evd6$6lm$1@vulcan.alphanet.ch> References: <91qq7j$uvb$1@magma.lan.woody.ch> <mfs14tsaaakb111k0dvd7nuqbvf5tm1obh@4ax.com> <91rcge$51m$1@magma.lan.woody.ch> <3A4993DC.F2097549@team.bluewin.com> <92ca4d$6e5mi$1@ID-67384.news.dfncis.de> <3A49BE7B.AF748897@team.bluewin.com> Reply-To: Marc SCHAEFER <schaefer@alphanet.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: vulcan.alphanet.ch X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970705; i586 Linux 2.0.38]