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                       SECOND CALL FOR VOTES

                  for the new newsgroup "ch.comm"

         and a change in the newsgroups creation guidelines 
                       of the ch.*-hierarchy


For guidelines on how to vote see below near the vote ballot. Please 
read carefully. For voting questions please contact the vote taker. 
For questions about the proposed group / change please contact the
proponents (see below for adresses).

Votes must be received by April 10 2000 23:59:59 (CET). 

Vote taker:	Matthias Leisi <matthias@astrum.ch>


Distribution
============
Pointers to this CfV will be posted to:

ch.comp.networks
ch.comp.os.linux
ch.comp.os.ms-windows
ch.market
ch.market.comp
ch.market.jobs
ch.rec


New newsgroup ch.comm
=====================

 NEWSGROUP LINE:

ch.comm      Telecommunication in Switzerland


 CHARTER:

This newsgroup is about telecommunication in Switzerland and covers
everything related to it if there is not a special newsgroup covering
the topic. The discussion may cover the following topics:

  - Discussion about different and/or new communication providers
    (telephony, internet access, mobile communications) in
    Switzerland.
  - Announcements of events related to telecommunication such as
    conferences and expositions.
  - Questions and answers about problems with different communication
    providers in Switzerland.
  - Discussion about communication equipement such as telephones and
    mobiles ("handies").
  - Discussion about new communication features.

Please state already in the subject what provider / system you are
using if the problem you are discussing is related to it.

Please note that for computer communication and networks the group
ch.comp.networks exists. The group ch.comm is less computer related. It
is strongly discouraged to crosspost between any newsgroups among the
ch.* hierarchy.


 PROPONENT:

Matthias D�bendorfer <matthias_d@gmx.ch>

Adopted from an RfD bye Andreas Aemissegger <aae@bluewin.ch>
Based on an idea by Mike Pfaff <blacklotus@datacomm.ch>
 

Change in the newsgroups creation guidelines
============================================

 RATIONALE:

The present voting rules in the ch.*-newsgroups impede the further
development of the ch.* usenet-news hierarchy. The hurdle for the creation
of a new group is set too high and allows a small
minority to overrule the will of a vast majority.

For example: the telecommunications group ch.comm could not be created due
to the fact that only 9 voted against it. This in spite of 104 voting "Yes".
The voting rules in other news hierarchies are less rigorous. Therefore it
appears to be equitable to simplify the procedure currently in place.

The proven rules of the de.*-newsgroups have been chosen as template. The
proposed change ensures both, the prevention of a flood of new groups nobody
needs as well as an easier creation of required groups/changes.


 CHANGE OF THE CHARTER CH.* ALL GROUPS:

The present rules are (position 5.3 of the FAQ):

[...]
  the new group will be created, if:
- At least two third of all valid votes
  are on "YES",
- at least 100 votes more on YES than on
  NO have been given.
[...]

The following passage will be reinserted in the charter of ch.* all groups :

[...]
To effectuate changes within the ch.*-usenet-hierarchy (i.e. creating new
groups, alteration of the charter) the traditional voting procedure
consisting of Requests for Discussions (RfD) and a Call for Votes (CfV) must
be carried out.

The proposal will be put in place, if:

- at least two thirds of all valid votes are on "YES",
- at least 60 votes on YES have been given.

END CHARTER: all groups


 PROPONENTS (in alphabetical order):

Matthias Duebendorfer <matthias_d@gmx.ch>
Urs Gfeller <urs.gfeller@freesurf.ch>
Andr� R. Mastel <andre@mastel.ch>
Mathieu von Rohr <wunderknabe@gmx.net>
Dominique Stern <startree@datacomm.ch>



Voting Procedure Notes
======================

Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account is valid.
Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.
Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting
results list.

Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the 'votes' account. 
Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by 
WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.

The use of spam blockers or other munged addresses will prevent receiving
an acknowledgement of your vote. If the address cannot be verified, the
ballot will be disallowed. There is no need for munged addresses as in the
final voting results list all adresses will be alienated.

If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within four days
contact the votetaker about the problem. It is YOUR responsibility to make
sure your vote is registered correctly.


How to vote
===========

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything above the top
"-=-=-=-" line and everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. DO NOT
erase anything between these lines and do not change the group names.
Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">")
that your reply inserts. Please do NOT send the entire CFV back to me.

Give your name on the line that asks for it. Place ONLY your name (i.e.,
do not include your e-mail address or any other information). If you would
like to remain anonymous, please contact the votetaker. For each group,
place a YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. If
you don't want to vote on a particular group, insert ABSTAIN or just leave
the space blank.

Then mail the ballot to: 

vote-2000-01@astrum.ch

Just Replying to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote (do not vote here):

  [ YES     ]  foo.bar.fump
  [ NO      ]  foo.bar.gurk
  [ ABSTAIN ]  foo.bar.misc

If these instructions are unclear, please ask the votetaker.
 
Matthias Leisi <matthias@astrum.ch>

(Most of this text is derived from the work of Andreas Aemisegger
<aae@bluewin.ch>)


The Ballot
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-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
ch.comm/ch.*-rules Ballot    

Give your real name here:

[Your Vote]  Group
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[         ]  ch.comm
[         ]  ch.*-rules
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The following persons have participated in the vote so far:
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adrian.suter*schweiz.org                                          Adrian Suter
andy*vis.ethz.ch                                             Andreas Tscharner
apetrali*ee.ethz.ch                                           Andreas Petralia
August.Blunschi*swissonline.ch                                  Gusti Blunschi
b.weidmann*pobox.com                                         Benjamin Weidmann
blacklotus*datacomm.ch                                              Mike Pfaff
bramseier*datacomm.ch                                            Beat Ramseier
buergler*webshuttle.ch                                      Hansjuerg Buergler
Christian.Jeker*swisscom.com                                   Christian Jeker
christoph.mueller*soz.unibe.ch                               Christoph Mueller
chrjanser*gmx.ch                                              Christoph Janser
clk*freesurf.ch                                             Christoph Kaufmann
cornel.fuerer*helvetiapatria.ch                                  Cornel Fuerer
cstuder*bbox.ch                                               christian studer
d.scherer*gmx.ch                                                Dieter Scherer
dani*iridium.ch                                                  Daniel Rueegg
daniel*folly.ch                                                   Daniel Folly
ddo*sma.ch                                                Matthias D�bendorfer
e.rueegg*access.unizh.ch                                           Erwin R�egg
ehrbarp*dial.eunet.ch                                             Peter Ehrbar
eichi.posts*gmx.ch                                            Stefan Eichinger
engler*texter.ch                                                 Stefan Engler
etienne*imp.ch                                                   Stefan Hauser
fabian*linda.ch                                                    Fabian Rahm
Felix.Rauch*Nice.CH                                                Felix Rauch
florian*spisla.ch                                               Florian Spisla
fredy*kuenzler.ch                                               Fredy Kuenzler
fritz.lehmann*gmx.ch                                             Fritz Lehmann
geiser*dial.eunet.ch                                           Matthias Geiser
gonzo_ch*gmx.net                                                   Roman Weber
h.slama*gmx.net                                                 Heribert Slama
happl.oberlin*iname.com                                      Hanspeter Oberlin
helmut*schacher.org                                            helmut schacher
Hubert.Wachter*unifr.ch                                         Hubert Wachter
imhof*email.ch                                                    Daniel Imhof
jud*excite.com                                                       Roger Jud
jung*mails.ch                                                   Hansruedi Jung
kamelhaar*hotmail.com                                          Klaus Kamelhaar
kocher*swissonline.ch                                           Stephan Kocher
lrotta*access.ch                                                   Luigi Rotta
marco.schnueriger*computer-trade.ch                           Marco Schn�riger
Markus.Notter*bluewin.ch                                         Markus Notter
martin.lenz*1818.ch                                                Martin Lenz
martin*jaggi.ch                                                   Martin Jaggi
mgeyer*gmx.ch                                                    Michael Geyer
michael.bleichenbacher*switzerland.org                  Michael Bleichenbacher
michael*muelly.ch                                               Michael Muelly
mikeller*iiic.ethz.ch                                           Michael Keller
mn_silumkin*gmx.net                                                Lukas M�der
mueller*active.ch                            Martin M�ller (mueller*active.ch)
nicolas*iselin.ch                                               Nicolas Iselin
nnyffp*ascom.ch                                            Philipp Nyffenegger
Pascal.Kocher*ascom.ch                                        Pascal C. Kocher
patrick.sprecher*systor.com                                   Patrick Sprecher
pc*mindworks.ch                                                  Patrick Clerc
Peter.Neff*mediatex.ch                                              Peter Neff
phaegi*mimir.ch                                                   Philipp H�gi
philipph*access.ch                                            Philipp H�fliger
pkormann*datacomm.ch                                           Patrick Kormann
pstadelmann*datacomm.ch                                     Philipp Stadelmann
r.beyeler*rhone.ch                                                  R. Beyeler
rensch*balcab.ch                                                 Martin Rensch
reto.hotz*gmx.net                                                    Reto Hotz
rolf.heller*magnet.at                                              Rolf Heller
roman_r*writeme.com                                               Roman Racine
rotor*technologist.com                                            Markus Hofer
s.gratwohl*gmx.ch                                               Simon Gratwohl
s.neupert*hitline.ch                                            Stefan Neupert
sam*trash.net                                                   Simon Ramseier
schlauri*pobox.com                                              Simon Schlauri
schneibel*iqe.phys.ethz.ch                                 Hanspeter Schneibel
sneaky56*gmx.net                                                      Portmann
spam*8304.ch                                                    Olivier M�ller
starhan*gmx.net                                           Franz -STAR- Starhan
startree*datacomm.ch                                           Dominique Stern
sternli*gmx.net                                             Family Stern *****
Sven.Kirmess*gmx.net                                              Sven Kirmess
the_sempre*stonewell.cx                                   Gabriel Krummenacher
thomasb*trash.net                                                 Thomas Bader
urs.gfeller*freesurf.ch                                            Urs Gfeller
urs.steiner*switzerland.org                                        Urs Steiner
utz*pflock.de                                                       Utz Pflock
uwe*uwi.ch                                                         Uwe Mueller
vote-de*kholdan.snafu.de                                           Tobias erle
werner*cyberlink.ch                                              Daniel Werner
wiwi*progon.com                                          Christian Wittenhorst
worte*gmx.at                                                 Matthias Gutfeldt


Votes in error
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marcel.piller*ubs.com                                                         
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