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On Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:47:45 +0100, "Lord Admin" <HOPEU@gmx.net> wrote:

>OK, der Geschichte naechster Teil: Ich habe heute zum Xten Mal (jaja, ich habe 
>mehrere .ch Domains) dasselbe Mail von Yoodle erhalten. Auf mein 
>eher bissiges Mail kam folgende Antwort (Nur die besten Parts ;) ):
hi

meine eskalation war auch bissig, denn ich hasse es, wenn meine domain
bei der nic.ch ausgelesen wird, ein info@ davorgesetzt wird und davon
ausgegangen wird, dass auch eine webseite dranhaengt.
www.migi.ch giebts _nicht_ !
Es ist schon unglaublich, was sich diese Net-Goldgraeber alles
einfallen lassen um an "gueltige" Mailadressen zu gelangen. Nachdem
die Switch ihre Software angepasst hat und es nun erschwert
Mailadressen auszulesen werden die Spammer "fantasievoll" .
auch diese antwort kahm innert kuerzester zeit.
diese "dienstleistung" erinnert mich an die ersten zuckungen von
swissguide.
ich denke, dass wird nicht das letzte tread zu diesem Thema gewesen
sein :-\

Ich erlaube mir die ganze yoodle antwort zu posten

bye
michel

>>-->Dear Mr Graedel,
>>-->
>>-->Please, accept my apologies if our e-mail has bothered you. This was of
>>-->course not our intention. 
>>-->
>>-->As requested we have removed the entry "migi.ch" from our database.
>>-->
>>-->As to clarify our action and give you a better way to evaluate it, let me
>>-->just explain that :
>>--> 
>>-->- We send our e-mails only to a community for which an index is a usefull
>>-->tool in his web activity and/or presence. Of course, we may contact some
>>-->uninterested people : these are the side effects like any human activity
>>-->experiences.
>>-->
>>-->- We use the address that is usually set up for such purposes
>>-->
>>-->- We are not anonymous : every mail bears a valid return address. I
>>-->personally answer to any message that is or could be assimilated to a
>>-->complaint. My correspondents are quite always satisfied with the
>>-->explanations and end considering that our sollicitation is more usefull than
>>-->harmfull. I use my real name.
>>-->
>>-->- We do not ask for money or any other compensation. We have nothing to do
>>-->with a commercial proposal, chain letter, pyramidal marketing, sexual
>>-->advertisement, non internet products, underground activities, etc. which are
>>-->usually the kind of topics considered as pure spam.  
>>-->
>>-->- There is no legal norm in Switzerland that we infringe.
>>-->
>>-->- We believe that we are sticking to ethical rules. We prefer to ask
>>-->permission before referencing a site, thus also giving the opportunity to
>>-->the site holders to choose how they appear in the index.
>>-->
>>-->- We keep our message as small as possible : receiving it should not be
>>-->critical in terms of costs. Sending e-mails is not free for us : at least we
>>-->have to pay for bandwidth.
>>-->
>>-->Once again, be assured that our intention was a good one and accept my
>>-->sincere apologises for the inconvenience our e-mail has brought to you.
>>-->
>>-->With my Best Regards,
>>-->Jean-Pierre Vila
>>-->http://www.yoodle.ch
>>--> 
>>-->
>>-->
>>-->-----Message d'origine-----
>>-->De: Michel Graedel [AbuseMaster] [mailto:abuse@sunweb.ch]
>>-->Date: jeudi 3 f�vrier 2000 11:21
>>-->�: petrel.ch@abuse.net; scan.ch@abuse.net; yoodle.ch@abuse.net
>>-->Cc: Jean-Charles Cartier; feedback@yoodle.ch; Pascal Gloor
>>-->Objet: Polite Request (UCE <www.migi.ch>)
>>-->Importance: Haute
>>-->
>>-->
>>-->2 the spammer:
>>-->
>>-->Our private e-mail facilities are not your advertising medium. People who 
>>-->use them as such abuse our resources and waste our time, which are 
>>-->extremely valuable. We have entered your e-mail address and company name in 
>>-->our corporate blacklist database. We will not do business with you now, nor 
>>-->will we consider other requests from you in the future. Remove this e-mail 
>>-->address [info@migi.ch] from your junk mail list immediately and do not 
>>-->contact us again in the future.
>>-->
>>-->2 the admin:
>>-->
>>-->submission@yoodle.ch
>>-->
>>-->The above user has been sending unwanted and unsolicited e-mail to 
>>-->info@migi.ch. We would like to request that you instruct this person to 
>>-->delete our e-mail address from his or her junk-mail list immediately, and 
>>-->to never contact us again for any reason.  Our private e-mail facilities 
>>-->are not an advertising medium. People who use them as such abuse our 
>>-->resources and waste our time.
>>-->
>>-->A note to America On-Line, CompuServe, AT&T and other ISPs who frequently 
>>-->find themselves referenced in bogus return addresses: Parties who claim to 
>>-->be sending mail from your domains when they are in fact not doing so are 
>>-->committing fraud. Spam e-mail typically references telephone numbers, 
>>-->physical addresses or web pages which are not bogus. If someone has used 
>>-->your domain for a bogus return address, please don't tell us about it. We 
>>-->urge you to find the party responsible and prosecute them.
>>-->
>>-->
>>-->To see how I tracked this to your address:
>>-->
>>-->My comments are just hints, and should be considered only
>>-->an opinion. I may have guessed wrong, or things may have
>>-->changed since my test
>>-->
>>-->  From submission@yoodle.ch  Wed Feb  2 00:39:13 2000
>>-->   Hmmm from isn't a header I recognise
>>-->Received: from migi.ch (McZap@mail.migi.ch
>>-->     [212.90.199.110])        by sam.julianhaight.com
>>-->     (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA17300        for
>>-->     <mczap@spamcop.net>; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 00:39:13 -0800
>>-->
>>-->From: submission@yoodle.ch
>>-->Received: from scaniis02.scan.ch (144.85.206.65) by migi.ch
>>-->     with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server); Wed, 2
>>-->     Feb 2000 10:38:58 +0200
>>-->   migi.ch received this from someone claiming
>>-->   to be scaniis02.scan.ch
>>-->   This doesn't match the IP address in the headers, so this
>>-->   may be a relay point. If so all headers below are probably
>>-->   forged.
>>-->   It really came from SCANIIS02
>>-->
>>-->Received: from mail pickup service by scaniis02.scan.ch
>>-->     with Microsoft SMTPSVC;         Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:38:49
>>-->     +0100
>>-->   scaniis02.scan.ch received this from someone claiming
>>-->   to be mail pickup service
>>-->   (scaniis02.scan.ch doesn't record the senders IP
>>-->    address in any way I recognise, so it's impossible to be
>>-->    sure. All received headers after this one should be
>>-->    treated with suspicion)
>>-->
>>-->
>>-->To: <info@migi.ch>
>>-->Subject: www.migi.ch
>>-->Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:38:49 +0100
>>-->X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4
>>-->Message-ID: <094c14938080220SCANIIS02@scaniis02.scan.ch>
>>-->
>>-->Original UCE Attached as Text.
>>-->
>>-->
>>-->-=-=-
>>-->SBG-Priority: 2 (High) http://www.internz.com/SpamBeGone/
>>-->hel graedel [abusemaster]'" <abuse@sunweb.ch 
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