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>> "Pieter" == Pieter Wenk <pwenk@urbanet.ch> writes:

    Pieter> Regards to Dubendorf were obviously certain informations
    Pieter> have difficulties getting available.

????? don't understand this sentence...

    Pieter> Greece is now fulfilling the conditions of de CB,
    Pieter> Frankfort and will join the Euro as far I know, already as
    Pieter> of 2002.

Yes, like Italy two years ago, in other words: the numbers were forged
in order to make it politically acceptable to get them in.

    Pieter> In other words, it seems that Greece did perform rather
    Pieter> well

I doubt it.

Really, at the next economic crisis (which will come, sooner or later)
we shall see the real truth. Sadly I am quite pessimistic.

Sorry for getting off-topic, but I have to set something straight
after the replies to my initial article:

Maybe you think I'm too negative, but I would not even rule out civil
war or at least uproar in the future, when people realize that through
a union (monetary, political) that was kind of forced upon them, they
loose massive amounts of wealth and money for solidarity with states
that they don't feel really connected with.

Please don't get me wrong: I am not against a union in the long term,
and I hope that the peoples/states of Europe grow towards each
other. But I am very weary for a forced process. What must come first
is a common culture and feeling among the states that they care for
eachother and are prepared to help each other. Only after that, you
can have economic and/or political union (if it ever gets to that
point). Forcing it is dangerous.

A very bad example on how the current state is: Countries like Spain,
Portugal, Greece and Ireland for years have profited enormously of EU
subsidies. I don't say that is wrong per se (especially when something
was accomplished with it, like in Spain and Ireland) BUT: Now that the
eastern european states are about to join the EU, I would expect the
former receivers of subsidies to be grateful for what they got, and to
be prepared to accept less or no more subsidies because the very poor
eastern european states need it.

Instead they are selfish, ungrateful and take the subsidies for
granted. They are not prepared to get less subsidies in favour of much
poorer countries.

This only proves that most EU states only are after their own selfish
interests. To me that is a sign that the time is by far not ready for
any irreversible union (monetary, political) at all.


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