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Article #46710Re: Usenet groups on MCS
From: Karl Denninger
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 00:00
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 00:00
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In article <chrisf-0108951405400001@chrisf.pr.mcs.net>, Chris Farrell <chrisf@mcs.com> wrote: >In article <3vlor2$mfh@Jupiter.mcs.net>, karl@Mcs.Net (Karl Denninger) wrote: > > >> It is not a question of good taste. >> >> It is a question of repositories of illegal (as in *stolen*) material in the >> groups we do not carry, and defined-as-illegal material within the State of >> Illinois in two (images of pedophilia and bestiality, to name them). >> >> The amateur erotica groups *are* here, and are available, provided that you >> submit proof of age to us in an acceptable form. The stolen-girlie-scans >> are not, nor are the stolen-software-from-Microsoft-and-others groups. This >> material is legal to carry and distribute to those who are of age in this >> state. >> >> This has nothing to do with taste, or morals. > >Thank you for the straight up answer. However, the question remains, why >single out these groups when you above all, should be aware of copyright >infringements in other groups. I can't imagine that I spend nearly a >fraction of the time online that you do and I see violations everywhere. >Pictures are posted in non-binary groups, software slips through on a >regular basis, and textual copyright laws are CONSTANTLY violated in every >group. (I am particularly aware of publishing violations simply because I >read a lot and tend to remember what I've seen.) Are you in some fashion >saying by your practice that software and pictorial copyright violations >are more severe infringements than textual simply because they are more >viseral? We have studied this. On average, far less than 1% of the postings in a given group are copyright violations. I note that quoting a post for the purpose of comment and reply in the same fora where it was originally taken is *not* a violation of copyright. In those groups mentioned, far over *half* of the on-topic material posted is a violation of copyright! In the warez groups, for example, the number is closer to 100%! By definition a group entitled "gigabytes of copyright violations" bears inspection to see if it really is, in fact, comprised of exactly that. I note that the *entire reason* people want those groups is to get access to *exactly* that stolen material. For most groups in general that is *not* the case; people are after free-form discussion or original works. We respect people's property rights, including their right to control distribution of their work, and will not knowingly and willfully distribute stolen material. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity Modem: [+1 312 248-0900] | (shell, PPP, SLIP, leased) in Chicagoland Voice: [+1 312 248-8649] | 7 Chicagoland POPs, ISDN, 28.8, much more Fax: [+1 312 248-9865] | Email to "info@mcs.net" WWW: http://www.mcs.net ISDN - Get it here TODAY! | Home of Chicago's *Three STAR A* Clarinet feed!
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10d5fa,e3f342a29cfd73d X-Google-Attributes: gid10d5fa,public From: karl@Mcs.Net (Karl Denninger) Subject: Re: Usenet groups on MCS Date: 1995/08/01 Message-ID: <3vmc1k$d5t@Jupiter.mcs.net> X-Deja-AN: 107340509 references: <3v6q6f$pcn@news1.mcs.net> <chrisf-3107951054290001@chrisf.pr.mcs.net> <3vlor2$mfh@Jupiter.mcs.net> <chrisf-0108951405400001@chrisf.pr.mcs.net> organization: MCSNet Ops, Chicago, IL newsgroups: chi.internet