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In article <chrisf-2707950114250001@chrisf.pr.mcs.net>,
Chris Farrell <chrisf@mcs.com> wrote:
>In article <3v74jm$3ap@Venus.mcs.com>, karl@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) wrote:
>
>Some responce to the following quote which I found to be unclear. (It
>could just be me due to the late hour.)
>
>> >So you will carry these groups due to copywrite concerns? If every
>> >major provider (ie. Netcom, AOL, etc etc) can carry these with no
>> >problems and or legal repercussions why can't we? Just curious I
>> >guess.
>
>What exactly is alt.*warez*? Is it like the alt.binaries.erotica stuff?

"Warez" means stolen copies of copyrighted commercial software, such as 
Microsoft Word.

>As to the first reason, not to mention the fact that I work in the media,
>I take my philosophy pretty seriously and there is for all practical
>purpose, no compelling arguement under which you, as a service provider,
>should be able to decide what material is proper for me to view. As to the
>second reason, I think that this may be flawed in two ways. Firstly,
>copyright infringement occurs on virtually EVERY group; if not in the form
>of pictures, then in the form of the printed word or pirated software.
>Consequently I can't see why these groups should be singled out. 

If you have evidence of significant, verifyable, copyright violation in a
given group, and it is brought to our attention, we will investigate it.

>Secondly,
>as I understand it, once you as a provider begin to edit the content of
>any of your newsgroups, you become liable for any breach of the law in all
>of your newsgroups. I believe that this is why services like AOL do not
>make ANY attempt to edit their content; they don't want to become
>potentially liable for copyright infringements or obsenity charges. 

If you edit the content of a given group, by entering it and removing posts,
then you have taken on the role of an editor.

We do not do that.  In fact, I am aware of no service provider which does,
other than Prodigy (and they got nailed for it)

If you choose not to carry a group, the *reason* for not doing so is
irrelavent.  You cannot be responsible for that which isn't there (which you
edited out), and that which remains has not been inspected and approved.

The problem comes with prior restraint, where you make a decision on content
*before* someone can look at it (ie: I post something, and you review it
*before* you release it to the world).  That action is what got Prodigy in
hot water.

No service can carry *all* newsgroups.  Its not possible.  

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