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In article <1992Apr29.212532.6856@gagme.chi.il.us> John R. Dennison writes:

>In <1992Apr29.020946.18033@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> William J. Vajic writes:


>>Seems to me he made it, and rather clearly, John.

>	You call his statements "clear"?  I call them anything but.

Strange that you write this, John, considering you followed with a tirade 
which was another screenful detailing a bunch of stuff you understood to 
be Randy's concern.

>	1)  If clout has the capacity to pass the volumes of traffic that it
>	    does without degrading service then what does it matter?

Does it indeed? The spool space has never been threatened? You know
this for a fact?

>	2)  I don't see in the slightest how the large amount of traffic via
>	    trinity and gagme are affecting either Suess or chinet.

It affects all of us who depend on clout for email. The fact that the
gagme sysadmin is also a clout sysadmin and takes care to not overwhelm
the spool space is of little consolation. It still depends on luck to not
have some other request from another system making similar FTP requests 
blindly by email intersect with those from gagme or trinity or any other
site. This is a form of email roulette. Some time the spool space is shot,
perhaps the contents lost.

>	3)  A lot of the traffic passed via clout to gagme over the last
>	    few weeks has been for me.  I will take the responsibility of
>	    of that.  

How kind of you. And if clout, because of your self-indulgences, lost my 
email, what would this professed responsibility do for me, beyond perhaps 
offer profuse apologies?

>        4)  The clout admins have publically stated that there is nothing wrong
>	    with the amounts being passed.

As generous as the clout sysadmins are with their time, and as greatful as
I am for their efforts, the sun does not rise and set about them where
the system is concerned. There are lots of people involved, lots of issues
beyond straightforward administration.

There would probably be no comment whatever regarding the quantities of
email going to any given site were the infrastructure better equipped 
to handle bulk mail. That's the entire point. There are those of us
who are willing to take risks. Those who will pass around a blind curve,
or send massive amounts through clout taking a risk without considering
the feelings of passengers. The fact that no one has been coming in the
other direction (most of the time) grants absolutely no feeling of
confidence in future forrays. 

Although I am part of the project, I am just about >< close from contacting 
uunet to get the little bit of important email I receive at igloo reliably. 
Given the donated facilities and the donated time and energy by so many, 
don't you think it a shame that I need to feel that way?

Bill Vajk