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Re: Environmentalism & E-Check

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From: drsoran
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:00
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Bob Hetzel (hetzel@slc7.INS.CWRU.Edu) wrote:
: You may think it's not environmentally friendly, but diesel engine's
: waste products are more safe than the by products of most gasoline
: powered automobiles.  They get better mileage because they do a
: more "complete/ideal" combustion, I believe.  (I'm sure a chemistry 
: type will correct me if I'm wrong on this one).

	I'll try to remember that when I'm about to vomit from the black 
smoke coming from the truck in front of me..  "Well.. it might kill me, 
but at least I know it's not bad for the environment." :-P
	So, if we all drove diesel cars and they billowed thick black 
exhaust fumes, that would be okay?  E-Check isn't about environmentalism, 
it's about income..  There are LOTS of cars on the road and they're easy 
targets for these stupid "environmental protection" projects.  

: The real reason commercial vehicles are exempt is because your
: (as well as my) representatives are in favor of being cozy with
: businesses, despite the problems they might cause.  It boils down
: to campaign contributions, allies, formed during the campaings, etc.

	True.

: As for taking attention away from newer technologies, California
: is a perfect example of this.  They legislated zero emission
: vehicles.  BMW, for instance is nearing perfection on a Hydrogen
: engine system that produces water as basically it's sole product
: of combustion.  I'd have to call that extremely friendly, but

	Actually I don't consider myself an environmentalist, but I think 
research into hydrogen powered vehicles is a good idea... not only do thy 
supposedly just give off water, but they run on hydrogen.. the most 
plentiful element in the universe.. hmm.. It'll probably be another 
century before the petroleum companies allow us to even consider removing 
our mouths from their tit.

: since it's not "zero emission" (meaning nothing given off, no
: matter what) it doesn't qualify.  They've even got equipment
: researched to allow you to split water into hydrogen and oxygen
: using solar energy.  This is far superior to electric transportation
: where the energy is produced by burning coal.  This is due to
: heavy utility lobying and misguided politicians.

	We've got plenty of desert space to erect these solar powered 
water splitting mills too.. ;)  Instead of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc, 
etc, controlling the price of the precious black crude, we'd finally be 
able to supply our own fuel.. Oh well.. I guess that's forward 
thinking though.. though who knows, Columbia Gas seems to use natural gas 
in most (all?) of their trucks.. 

	I think it'd be kind of neat to have a car one day where it does 
run on hydrogen, except you pour in distilled water as a fuel source.. 
it'd run on a reserve of hydrogen and while you're driving, convert the 
water into oxygen and hydrogen and release the hydrogen into the 
reserve.. I know I know... it's not chemically practical.. it'd take more 
energy to split the water, etc, etc.. oh well.. it'd still be kind of 
funny to think about cars running on water. :)

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From: drsoran@ni.cba.csuohio.edu (drsoran)
Subject: Re: Environmentalism & E-Check
Date: 1996/09/18
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