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Why did I post what I posted?

Everyone in America has certain rights.  Rights which include the
right to comment about an individual, company, or origination. 
Everyone has a right to comment about what they like or dislike in any
of the above.

You are not allowed to lie, but you are allowed to express an opinion.
Come to site where I actually write some of the content
www.oldmanmurray.com .   Feel free, tell me the site sucks, the colors
are ugly, and advertiser would be an idiot to advertise with us.  Post
it here.  Its you right.   Express your opinion.  Hell, come post it
on our message boards, I will leave it up.

I do not have the right to then try and intimidate you to be silent.
That not only is wrong, but illegal.

As information sites grow, and more and more people have a website, it
is very important to speak up when someone tries to take away our
rights to express an opinion.   According to Darren, if someone posted
a get rich scheme on this newsgroup, you would not be able to post a
negative response to it, you would be interfering with that
individuals right to do business.  Sorry, that individual 1. does not
have the right to lie, 2. Is not above the rights of the community as
a whole to comment on their post.   Darren's threat of legal action
was met with laughter at the company where I work.  We know the law.
But what if Darren had threatened someone who did not know the law?
What if Darren had used his threat of a lawsuit to try and silence
some critic, and that critic did not have the resources to fight that
intimidation?  Should that critic then be silenced?   Darren first
claimed his site was being harmed by Cleveland.com, now he says I am
harming it.  I think we all know who is really harming the site.
Darren you cannot run a public website for and about Cleveland, and
then sue every clevelander that expresses an opinion and facts about
your site.

I expressed my opinion first, then in a later follow-up post I
expressed a fact about a misleading post of Darren.  Darren nor his
partner have yet to respond to my post directly and tell me what is
incorrect with my assessment of their count of hits they will generate
for your site.
I have never contacted any of Darren's customers to let them know they
have crappy web sites.  That would be unethical and in my eyes
crossing the line.  Instead, I responded in a public forum, a public
forum in which Darren chose to promote his site.

Darren on the other hand has slandered my company below by stating
Murray & Sons is my father's business.  It is not, my father has never
been associated with the company.  But I see it as hardly damaging and
even funny.  For the emails he attached.  Yep!  They are mine, should
I take the time and post your emails that provoked it Darren?  And
somehow making fun of the Downtown Tab is now illegal?   I think half
of Cleveland should be arrested...

Do not threaten me with legal action.  Do not try and intimidate me.
Your use of class action made me laugh....  Darren if I was you, drop
this, ignore me, but do not threaten to silence me.

Chet





On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:39:00 -0500, "Darren I. Shrager"
<dis@apollodigital.com> wrote:

>I'd like to inform the public that this little boy, pounding on the keys of
>his dad's computer, is the one that is writing all this slanderous material.
>He came out of the blue, never provoked and never was one incident
>instigated.  He has some kind of ongoing vendetta against anyone who can do
>business better than his father's company.  This is sad.  Unfortunately, his
>damaging remarks are far reaching through not only me and my company (who
>too are innocent in such a absurd struggle) but also the dozens of other
>company's which we represent.  Folks, this is called slander, and in the
>United States, that is illegal.  The law is here to protect us from little
>sociopathic kids and the damage their "opinions" can do to small businesses.
>I thought you would all like to see just what I am talking about--take a
>look at some of the mail I have actually received from Chet himself, and
>determine for yourself whether what he has to say has any kind of merit
>whatsoever.
>
>>
>> So what is in my mail tonight?
>>
>Some quotes from everybody's favorite guy, Chet:
>
>
>>From: chet@murrayandsons.com
>>To: "Darren I. Shrager" <dis@apollodigital.com>
>>Subject: Re: AOL
>>Date: Mon, Jan 4, 1999, 4:40 PM
>>
>
>> I always take the time to email people who are such fucks they think they
>> can bullshit people...  Its people like you who ruin the Internet.
>> You take the newbies and show them such crap, treat them with
>> such disrepect that they are turned off.  Your time would be better
>> spent licking light poles today.
>
>
>
>>From: chet@murrayandsons.com
>>To: "Darren I. Shrager" <dis@apollodigital.com>
>>Subject: Re: AOL
>>Date: Mon, Jan 4, 1999, 4:21 PM
>>
>
>> I doubt the mentally handicapped would do as poor of a job making
>> a website.  Do you know why people will not partner with your site?
>>  It is pathetic.  It has nothing to do with Cleveland Live, and all to
>> do with what crappy site you run.
>
>>From: chet@oldmanmurray.com (Chet)
>>Newsgroups: cle.general
>>Subject: Re: Chat Room??
>>Date: Sun, Jan 3, 1999, 11:57 PM
>>>
>> Ecleveland is probably the lamest excuse for a site.  Oh and it is
>> sponsored or something by the TAB.  The cleveland TAB is where the
>> guys who are too dumb for the free times go to write.
>>