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mark carroll wrote:
> 
> In article <33B15226.20CA@earthlink.net>,
> Daniel Modlin  <dmodlin@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >mark carroll wrote:
> >> In article <33B0408A.6BCA@earthlink.net>,
> >> Daniel Modlin  <dmodlin@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> (snip)
> >> >Your forgetting about unjust laws,the better that police get at
> >> >enforcing privacy invasive laws, the more our privacy will be invaded.
> >> (snip)
> >>
> >> You're against photographing criminals-in-the-act as evidence because
> >> of an invasion of privacy?!?
> >
> >It depends on the "criminal" and the "crime"he commits.  There are many
> >unjust laws out there that i dont care to see enforced.
> 
> That's fine, but the way to deal with it is _not_ to cheer when
> they're broken. 

THat seems to be the only working alternative we have left.

You can't go allowing people to ignore laws they don't
> agree with - if laws aren't enforced, you have anarchy. If you think a
> law's unjust, lobby to get it repealed. Ultimately, the people control
> what laws are made, and if most people think that a law is needed then
> just maybe you're wrong in thinking it's unjust? If it truly were
> unjust, there'd be more politicians elected who were in favour
> of abolishing it.

Oh please, you act like the polititians are actually controlled by the
public. It is almost impossible to get laws changed, even if a large
majority of the public is in support of it.

> 
> (snip)
> >I wasn't talking about laws regarding red lights,and as for speeding
> >laws,hooray for Montana for repealing their ineffectual speed limit.
> 
> Well, I just mentioned the red-light laws because I wondered if you'd
> construe that photographing as an invasion of privacy too. It's a
> similar situation: driving in a manner that's unreasonably likely to
> cause injury or death.
> 
> Why are speed limits unjust, then? 

Because they don't work!

If you remove them, mortality rates
> on the roads go up significantly (at least they seem to in Germany,
> ISTR) 

Where do you get your figures? The German government and Mercedes Benz
both verify that the mortalaity rates are the same in both countries.


- is enforcing speed limits to keep mortality rates down unjust?

It wouldnt be if they worked.  BTW, of course i'm only referring to
highway speed limits.

> Surely people have the right to relatively safe travel?

And the right to travel without Uncle Sam in the back seat.-------Daniel 

> 
> -- Mark