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Re: I am looking for a new ISP

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From: Greg Boehnlein
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:00
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Mike Kaufman (mkaufman@condor.mcs.kent.edu) wrote:

: : Heh heh heh.. I couldn't help but comment on the "friggen' T1 direct to
: : sprintlink"  outside of the fact that EN/APK/Multiverse all have one or more
: : T1's (to MCI/Oarnet/Net99/whoever) while ready Infoworld yesterday I came
: : across a great little article :
: 
: 	Yea, but have you seen MCI lately?  As much as I love 'em for
: their LD phone service, they suck when it comes to the Net.  Hell,
: have you seen OARNet lately???

MCI's recent problems are more than likely a result of their massive 
backbone upgrades. Currently, the MCI backbone is T-3 based, but they are 
switching to an ATM backbone. When it's completed, it will blow the pants 
off most anything on the net.

OAR-Net has had it's share of problems, most of which are directly 
related to the over abuse of the backbone connecting their OEB routers in 
Columbus. I believe that they have replaced this 20 mbit bottleneck with 
a Fibre Ring and have addresses the Cleveland lag problem by pulling a 
T-3 here. Anyone care to chip in and verify or correct me feel free. I 
stopped considering OAR-net a serious provider about 10 months ago, so I 
haven't kept abreast of what they have been up to lately. Needless to 
say, I AM aware that certain services have improved.

: Yeesh.  Gives me the willies just 
: thinking about them.  I have to suffer through OARNet at school cuz 
: that's who most (if not all, but I'm not going to say that since I 
: really don't know for sure) the universities/schools in the NE Ohio 
: area go through.  Can't tell you how many headaches I've had trying 
: just to get out of Columbus.

See above.

: 	You know the route for anything off of OARNet?  From wherever
: you are to your local router, to the local OARNet router, (Akron for
: Kent State, and I think Cleveland has a router too), then to Columbus,
: then finally out to MCI net (which ain't so hot to begin with, see 
: above).  Whanna know the route from Cyberdrive?  Cyberdrive,
: Sprintlink.  Done.  Dunno about you, but that sounds alot nicer
: to me. :)

Doesn't matter.. Cause you still have to bounce around the country to get 
out to MCI to get anywhere NOT on the Sprint backbone, which is like 75% 
of the net.

No, Sprint doesn't neccessarily offer any better routing than any of the 
other providers.

The solution? Easy.. get a major provider in Cleveland to pull multiple 
T1s from Sprint, MCI, UUnet and OAR-Net. Plug them into a high end Cisco, 
run a proper routing protocol to peer with all these companies and you have 
a POP that can connect to any backbone with the minimum number of hops.

Easy, isn't it? :)

: : Yeah... what a great backbone provider to be connected to :)
: 
: 	Heh heh. That is a great quote.  I'll agree on one thing,
: having only _one_ provider is a bad idea.  Tho it costs mucho extra
: dinero, having 2-4 separate connections to either difference places 
: with the same provider, or even completely separate providers assures
: you pracitcally NO downtime.  Yes, there is that freak chance that
: ALL of your providers could be down, but how common is that??  And,
: you knew I was going somewhere with this, rumor has it that CyberDrive
: is looking to get yet another connection to the backbone.  Dunno 
: if it'll stay Springlink or if it'll be another, but I heard DS-3
: in there somewhere.  Again, these are just rumors, which means that
: if any of it IS true, nothing will be evendent for another 6-8 months.
: But still.  I prefer those type of rumors to the ones I've heard of
: Multiverse. :)

As I said before.. Rumors is Rumors. Facts is Facts. Stick to the later 
and your safe.

I don't think that your going to see Cyberdrive on a DS-3 in Chagrin 
falls of all places. It's not economically feasible.

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From: damin@nacs.net (Greg Boehnlein)
Subject: Re: I am looking for a new ISP
Date: 1996/04/24
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