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谷歌声明原文 http://cn.wsj.com/gb/20100323/tec090754.asp 今年1月12日,我们曾在本博客上宣布,谷歌(Google)和其他20多家美国企业成为来自中国的一场复杂网络攻击的受害者,在就网络攻击进行调查的期间,我们发现有证据表明数十位与中国有关的人权活动人士的Gmail帐户经常被第三方侵入,极有可能是通过放置在他们电脑上的“网络钓鱼”或恶意软件实现的。我们还明确表示,这些网络攻击及其所暴露出来的监视活动──加上过去一年中试图进一步限制在华网络言论自由的企图,包括持续不断的屏蔽Facebook、Twitter、YouTube、Google Docs和Blogger等网站──这些让我们得出这样一个结论:我们不能再继续审查Google.cn的搜索结果。 因此,周一早些时候,我们停止了对Google.cn搜索服务Google Search、Google News和Google Images的审查。访问Google.cn的用户现在被转到了Google.com.hk,我们在这个网站上提供未经审查的简体中文搜索,是专为中国大陆用户设计的,通过我们在香港的服务器提供。香港的用户将继续收到现有的未经审查的繁体中文服务,也是来自于Google.com.hk。鉴于由此给香港服务器增加的负荷和这些变动的复杂性质,在我们把服务转到Google.com.hk时,用户可能会发现服务速度变慢,或发现一些产品暂时无法访问。 找到兑现我们停止审查Google.cn搜索的承诺的方法很难。我们希望世界上有尽可能多的人能够访问我们的服务,包括中国大陆的用户,不过通过双方之间的讨论,中国政府已经非常明确地表示,自我审查是一项没有商量余地的法律要求。我们相信,这种通过Google.com.hk提供未经审查的简体中文搜索的新做法是解决我们所面临挑战的一个切合实际的方法──这种做法完全合法,并将明显增加中国用户的信息获取。我们非常希望中国政府能够尊重我们的决定,不过我们也清楚,中国政府可能会随时屏蔽掉对我们服务的访问。因此,我们将仔细监控网络访问事宜,我们还创建了这个新的网页,我们将每日定期更新,以便让每个人都能够知道谷歌的哪些服务在中国是可以访问的。 至于谷歌更广泛的业务运营情况,我们计划继续在中国的研发工作,也会保持在中国的销售团队,不过很明显,团队的规模将部分取决于中国大陆用户访问Google.com.hk的能力。最后,我们想说明的是,所有这些决定都是由我们在美国的高管推动并实施的,我们在中国的任何员工都不能也不应该对此承担责任。尽管自1月份的声明以来他们面临了诸多不确定和困难,他们却仍继续专注于服务我们的中国用户和客户。我们为他们感到无比骄傲。 (David Drummond,谷歌高级副总裁、公司发展兼首席法律顾问)
A new approach to China: an update
Author: Moses
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:53
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A new approach to China: an update http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/new-approach-to-china-update.html 3/22/2010 12:03:00 PM On January 12, we announced on this blog that Google and more than twenty other U.S. companies had been the victims of a sophisticated cyber attack originating from China, and that during our investigation into these attacks we had uncovered evidence to suggest that the Gmail accounts of dozens of human rights activists connected with China were being routinely accessed by third parties, most likely via phishing scams or malware placed on their computers. We also made clear that these attacks and the surveillance they uncovered—combined with attempts over the last year to further limit free speech on the web in China including the persistent blocking of websites such as Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Google Docs and Blogger—had led us to conclude that we could no longer continue censoring our results on Google.cn. So earlier today we stopped censoring our search services—Google Search, Google News, and Google Images—on Google.cn. Users visiting Google.cn are now being redirected to Google.com.hk, where we are offering uncensored search in simplified Chinese, specifically designed for users in mainland China and delivered via our servers in Hong Kong. Users in Hong Kong will continue to receive their existing uncensored, traditional Chinese service, also from Google.com.hk. Due to the increased load on our Hong Kong servers and the complicated nature of these changes, users may see some slowdown in service or find some products temporarily inaccessible as we switch everything over. Figuring out how to make good on our promise to stop censoring search on Google.cn has been hard. We want as many people in the world as possible to have access to our services, including users in mainland China, yet the Chinese government has been crystal clear throughout our discussions that self-censorship is a non-negotiable legal requirement. We believe this new approach of providing uncensored search in simplified Chinese from Google.com.hk is a sensible solution to the challenges we’ve faced—it’s entirely legal and will meaningfully increase access to information for people in China. We very much hope that the Chinese government respects our decision, though we are well aware that it could at any time block access to our services. We will therefore be carefully monitoring access issues, and have created this new web page, which we will update regularly each day, so that everyone can see which Google services are available in China. In terms of Google’s wider business operations, we intend to continue R&D work in China and also to maintain a sales presence there, though the size of the sales team will obviously be partially dependent on the ability of mainland Chinese users to access Google.com.hk. Finally, we would like to make clear that all these decisions have been driven and implemented by our executives in the United States, and that none of our employees in China can, or should, be held responsible for them. Despite all the uncertainty and difficulties they have faced since we made our announcement in January, they have continued to focus on serving our Chinese users and customers. We are immensely proud of them. Posted by David Drummond, SVP, Corporate Development and Chief Legal Officer "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ho97sl$6ev$1@moses.motzarella.org... > 谷歌声明原文 > http://cn.wsj.com/gb/20100323/tec090754.asp > > 今年1月12日,我们曾在本博客上宣布,谷歌(Google)和其他20多家美国企业成为来自中国的一场复杂网络攻击的受害者,在就网络攻击进行调查的期间,我们发现有证据表明数十位与中国有关的人权活动人士的Gmail帐户经常被第三方侵入,极有可能是通过放置在他们电脑上的“网络钓鱼”或恶意软件实现的。我们还明确表示,这些网络攻击及其所暴露出来的监视活动──加上过去一年中试图进一步限制在华网络言论自由的企图,包括持续不断的屏蔽Facebook、Twitter、YouTube、Google Docs和Blogger等网站──这些让我们得出这样一个结论:我们不能再继续审查Google.cn的搜索结果。 > > 因此,周一早些时候,我们停止了对Google.cn搜索服务Google Search、Google News和Google Images的审查。访问Google.cn的用户现在被转到了Google.com.hk,我们在这个网站上提供未经审查的简体中文搜索,是专为中国大陆用户设计的,通过我们在香港的服务器提供。香港的用户将继续收到现有的未经审查的繁体中文服务,也是来自于Google.com.hk。鉴于由此给香港服务器增加的负荷和这些变动的复杂性质,在我们把服务转到Google.com.hk时,用户可能会发现服务速度变慢,或发现一些产品暂时无法访问。 > > 找到兑现我们停止审查Google.cn搜索的承诺的方法很难。我们希望世界上有尽可能多的人能够访问我们的服务,包括中国大陆的用户,不过通过双方之间的讨论,中国政府已经非常明确地表示,自我审查是一项没有商量余地的法律要求。我们相信,这种通过Google.com.hk提供未经审查的简体中文搜索的新做法是解决我们所面临挑战的一个切合实际的方法──这种做法完全合法,并将明显增加中国用户的信息获取。我们非常希望中国政府能够尊重我们的决定,不过我们也清楚,中国政府可能会随时屏蔽掉对我们服务的访问。因此,我们将仔细监控网络访问事宜,我们还创建了这个新的网页,我们将每日定期更新,以便让每个人都能够知道谷歌的哪些服务在中国是可以访问的。 > > 至于谷歌更广泛的业务运营情况,我们计划继续在中国的研发工作,也会保持在中国的销售团队,不过很明显,团队的规模将部分取决于中国大陆用户访问Google.com.hk的能力。最后,我们想说明的是,所有这些决定都是由我们在美国的高管推动并实施的,我们在中国的任何员工都不能也不应该对此承担责任。尽管自1月份的声明以来他们面临了诸多不确定和困难,他们却仍继续专注于服务我们的中国用户和客户。我们为他们感到无比骄傲。 > > (David Drummond,谷歌高级副总裁、公司发展兼首席法律顾问)
Re: 谷歌声明原文
Author: LU Wei
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:38
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:38
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Re: A new approach to China: an update
Author: Moses
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 05:32
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官方中文新聞稿也發布了. 這次是放在 Google Press 裡的, 很正式了 http://www.google.com/press/new-approach-to-china/update.html 关于谷歌中国的最新声明 David Drummond, SVP, Corporate Development and Chief Legal Officer 今年1月12日,我们在本博客上宣布,Google及另外二十余家美国公司受到了来自中国的、复杂的网络攻击,在对这些攻击进 行深入调查的过程中,通过我们所收集到的证据表明,几十个与中国有关的人权人士的Gmail帐号定期受到第三方的侵入,而这大部分侵入是通过安装在他们电脑上的钓鱼软件或恶意软件进行的。这些攻击以及它们所暴露的网络审查问题,加上去年以来中国进一步限制网络言论自由,包括 对FaceBook、Twitter、YouTube、Google Docs 和 Blogger 等网站的持续屏蔽,使我们做出结论:我们不能继续在Google.cn搜索结果上进行自我审查。 从今天早上开始,我们已停止了在Google.cn搜索服务上的自我审查,包括 Google Search (网页搜索)、Google News(资讯搜索)和Google Images (图片搜索)。 访问 Google.cn 的用 户从现在开始将被指向Google.com.hk,在这个域名上,我们将提供未经审查的简体中文搜索结果,这些为中国大陆用户设计的服务将通过我们在香港的服务器实现。香港地区的用户还将继续通过Google.com.hk获得跟现在一样的、未经审查的繁体中文搜索服务。在我们进行迁移的过程中,由于香港服务器负荷的增加以及这些变化的复杂程度,用户可能会发现搜索速度变慢,或发现某些产品暂时不能访问。 实施我们做出的在Google.cn上停止审查搜索结果的承诺是一个十分艰难的过程。我们希望全球尽可能多的用户都能访问到我们的服务,包括在中国大陆的用户。中国政府在与我们讨论的过程中已经十分明确地表示,自我审查是一个不可谈判的法律要求。为此,我们相信,一个解决我们所面临挑战的可行方案是在Google.com.hk上提供未经审查的简体中文搜索结果——它完全符合法律要求,同时也有助于提高中国大陆用户对信息的访问。我们十分希望中国政府尊重我们的这一决定,尽管我们知道,用户对Google服务的访问有可能随时被阻止。为此,我们将密切监测网址访问问题,并制作了一个新页面,用户可以实时地了解到在中国哪些Google服务是可用的。 至于Google的广泛的业务运营,我们计划继续在中国的研发工作,并将保留销售团队,然而销售团队的规模显然部分取决于中国大陆用户能否访问Google.com.hk 。最后,我们要清楚表明:所有这些决定都是由美国的管理团队做出和实施的,没有任何一位中国员工能够、或者应该为这些决定负责。自我们在1月份发布博客以 来,尽管面临着众多的不确定性和困难,他们仍然坚守在工作岗位,专注于服务我们的中国用户和客户。我们为拥有这样的员工感到深深的骄傲。 "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ho9aeo$jun$1@moses.motzarella.org... > A new approach to China: an update > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/new-approach-to-china-update.html > > 3/22/2010 12:03:00 PM > > On January 12, we announced on this blog that Google and more than twenty other U.S. companies had been the victims of a sophisticated cyber attack originating from China, and that during our investigation into these attacks we had uncovered evidence to suggest that the Gmail accounts of dozens of human rights activists connected with China were being routinely accessed by third parties, most likely via phishing scams or malware placed on their computers. We also made clear that these attacks and the surveillance they uncovered—combined with attempts over the last year to further limit free speech on the web in China including the persistent blocking of websites such as Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Google Docs and Blogger—had led us to conclude that we could no longer continue censoring our results on Google.cn. > > So earlier today we stopped censoring our search services—Google Search, Google News, and Google Images—on Google.cn. Users visiting Google.cn are now being redirected to Google.com.hk, where we are offering uncensored search in simplified Chinese, specifically designed for users in mainland China and delivered via our servers in Hong Kong. Users in Hong Kong will continue to receive their existing uncensored, traditional Chinese service, also from Google.com.hk. Due to the increased load on our Hong Kong servers and the complicated nature of these changes, users may see some slowdown in service or find some products temporarily inaccessible as we switch everything over. > > Figuring out how to make good on our promise to stop censoring search on Google.cn has been hard. We want as many people in the world as possible to have access to our services, including users in mainland China, yet the Chinese government has been crystal clear throughout our discussions that self-censorship is a non-negotiable legal requirement. We believe this new approach of providing uncensored search in simplified Chinese from Google.com.hk is a sensible solution to the challenges we’ve faced—it’s entirely legal and will meaningfully increase access to information for people in China. We very much hope that the Chinese government respects our decision, though we are well aware that it could at any time block access to our services. We will therefore be carefully monitoring access issues, and have created this new web page, which we will update regularly each day, so that everyone can see which Google services are available in China. > > In terms of Google’s wider business operations, we intend to continue R&D work in China and also to maintain a sales presence there, though the size of the sales team will obviously be partially dependent on the ability of mainland Chinese users to access Google.com.hk. Finally, we would like to make clear that all these decisions have been driven and implemented by our executives in the United States, and that none of our employees in China can, or should, be held responsible for them. Despite all the uncertainty and difficulties they have faced since we made our announcement in January, they have continued to focus on serving our Chinese users and customers. We are immensely proud of them. > > Posted by David Drummond, SVP, Corporate Development and Chief Legal Officer > > "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ho97sl$6ev$1@moses.motzarella.org... >> 谷歌声明原文 >> http://cn.wsj.com/gb/20100323/tec090754.asp >> >> 今年1月12日,我们曾在本博客上宣布,谷歌(Google)和其他20多家美国企业成为来自中国的一场复杂网络攻击的受害者,在就网络攻击进行调查的期间,我们发现有证据表明数十位与中国有关的人权活动人士的Gmail帐户经常被第三方侵入,极有可能是通过放置在他们电脑上的“网络钓鱼”或恶意软件实现的。我们还明确表示,这些网络攻击及其所暴露出来的监视活动──加上过去一年中试图进一步限制在华网络言论自由的企图,包括持续不断的屏蔽Facebook、Twitter、YouTube、Google Docs和Blogger等网站──这些让我们得出这样一个结论:我们不能再继续审查Google.cn的搜索结果。 >> >> 因此,周一早些时候,我们停止了对Google.cn搜索服务Google Search、Google News和Google Images的审查。访问Google.cn的用户现在被转到了Google.com.hk,我们在这个网站上提供未经审查的简体中文搜索,是专为中国大陆用户设计的,通过我们在香港的服务器提供。香港的用户将继续收到现有的未经审查的繁体中文服务,也是来自于Google.com.hk。鉴于由此给香港服务器增加的负荷和这些变动的复杂性质,在我们把服务转到Google.com.hk时,用户可能会发现服务速度变慢,或发现一些产品暂时无法访问。 >> >> 找到兑现我们停止审查Google.cn搜索的承诺的方法很难。我们希望世界上有尽可能多的人能够访问我们的服务,包括中国大陆的用户,不过通过双方之间的讨论,中国政府已经非常明确地表示,自我审查是一项没有商量余地的法律要求。我们相信,这种通过Google.com.hk提供未经审查的简体中文搜索的新做法是解决我们所面临挑战的一个切合实际的方法──这种做法完全合法,并将明显增加中国用户的信息获取。我们非常希望中国政府能够尊重我们的决定,不过我们也清楚,中国政府可能会随时屏蔽掉对我们服务的访问。因此,我们将仔细监控网络访问事宜,我们还创建了这个新的网页,我们将每日定期更新,以便让每个人都能够知道谷歌的哪些服务在中国是可以访问的。 >> >> 至于谷歌更广泛的业务运营情况,我们计划继续在中国的研发工作,也会保持在中国的销售团队,不过很明显,团队的规模将部分取决于中国大陆用户访问Google.com.hk的能力。最后,我们想说明的是,所有这些决定都是由我们在美国的高管推动并实施的,我们在中国的任何员工都不能也不应该对此承担责任。尽管自1月份的声明以来他们面临了诸多不确定和困难,他们却仍继续专注于服务我们的中国用户和客户。我们为他们感到无比骄傲。 >> >> (David Drummond,谷歌高级副总裁、公司发展兼首席法律顾问)
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Author: Moses
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 05:33
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 05:33
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現在應該好了吧~~ "LU Wei" <luweitest@address.invalid> wrote in message news:hoacoi.d4.1@luweitest.vicp.net... > google.cn转掉没意见,干嘛把google.com都转了?现在好像是根据IP把大陆的访 > 问全定向到hk去了 > > > -- > Regards, > LU Wei > PGP key ID: 0x92CCE1EA
Re: 谷歌声明原文
Author: snnn
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 05:57
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 05:57
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Re: �ȸ�����ԭ��
Author: Goo
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:04
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:04
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Google现在可能进退失据,乱了方寸。我这儿用www.google.com/ncr也是转到hk那个丑陋的界面。在www.google.de选择中文界面,将会指向www.google.com/intl/zh-CN/,于是也转到hk。 我现在用www.google.de的英文界面。另外意外发现http://groups.google.de/不会reset,而http://groups.google.com/总是reset,https://groups.google.com/有时会有时不会. 其实www.google.com、www.google.de、www.google.com.hk、groups.google.com、groups.google.de的IP是一样的。Google和GFW好像商量好的一样,很有默契一致按Host名字而不是按IP进行动作. - Dns: + QRecord: www.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet + ARecord: www.google.com of type CNAME on class Internet: www.l.google.com + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.106 + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.99 + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.103 + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.104 + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.105 + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.147 - Dns: + QRecord: www.google.de of type Host Addr on class Internet + ARecord: www.google.de of type CNAME on class Internet: www.google.com + ARecord: www.google.com of type CNAME on class Internet: www.l.google.com + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.147 + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.103 + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.105 + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.104 + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.99 + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.106 - Dns: + QRecord: www.google.com.hk of type Host Addr on class Internet + ARecord: www.google.com.hk of type CNAME on class Internet: www.google.com + ARecord: www.google.com of type CNAME on class Internet: www.l.google.com + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.147 + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.106 + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.99 + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.103 + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.104 + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.105 - Dns: + QRecord: groups.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet + ARecord: groups.google.com of type CNAME on class Internet: groups.l.google.com + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.101 + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.139 + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.138 + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.113 + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.102 + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.100 - Dns: + QRecord: groups.google.de of type Host Addr on class Internet + ARecord: groups.google.de of type CNAME on class Internet: groups.google.com + ARecord: groups.google.com of type CNAME on class Internet: groups.l.google.com + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.138 + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.113 + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.102 + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.100 + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.101 + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.139 "LU Wei" <luweitest@address.invalid> wrote: > google.cn转掉没意见,干嘛把google.com都转了?现在好像是根据IP把大陆的访 > 问全定向到hk去了
Re: �ȸ�����ԭ��
Author: Goo
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:20
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:20
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我这儿14:09还是把www.google.com/ncr都转了
+ Ipv4: Dest = 64.233.183.104
- Http: Request, GET /ncr
Command: GET
+ URI: /ncr
ProtocolVersion: HTTP/1.1
Host: www.google.com
UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 ...
Accept: text/xml...
Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.7,zh-cn;q=0.3
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
Accept-Charset: UTF-8,*
Keep-Alive: 300
Connection: keep-alive
HeaderEnd: CRLF
+ Ipv4: Src = 64.233.183.104
- Http: Response, HTTP/1.1, Status Code = 302, URL: /ncr
ProtocolVersion: HTTP/1.1
StatusCode: 302, Moved temporarily
Reason: Found
Location: http://www.google.com.hk/url?sa=p&cki=...
Cache-Control: private
+ ContentType: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Set-Cookie: PREF=ID=...
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:09:12 GMT
Server: gws
ContentLength: 448
X-XSS-Protection: 0
HeaderEnd: CRLF
+ payload: HttpContentType = text/html; charset=UTF-8
"Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote:
> 現在應該好了吧~~
Re: �ȸ�����ԭ��
Author: Moses
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:28
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:28
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Google 这样的网站迁移还是很复杂的, 语言选择好像和 cookie, 浏览器, IP 等很多因素都有关, 还不行的话就等 Google 继续优化吧.......... "Goo" <g@l.e> wrote in message news:ho9lmj$ao0$1@news.eternal-september.org... > Google现在可能进退失据,乱了方寸。我这儿用www.google.com/ncr也是转到hk那个丑陋的界面。在www.google.de选择中文界面,将会指向www.google.com/intl/zh-CN/,于是也转到hk。 > > 我现在用www.google.de的英文界面。另外意外发现http://groups.google.de/不会reset,而http://groups.google.com/总是reset,https://groups.google.com/有时会有时不会. > > 其实www.google.com、www.google.de、www.google.com.hk、groups.google.com、groups.google.de的IP是一样的。Google和GFW好像商量好的一样,很有默契一致按Host名字而不是按IP进行动作. > > - Dns: > + QRecord: www.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet > + ARecord: www.google.com of type CNAME on class Internet: www.l.google.com > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.106 > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.99 > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.103 > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.104 > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.105 > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.147 > > > - Dns: > + QRecord: www.google.de of type Host Addr on class Internet > + ARecord: www.google.de of type CNAME on class Internet: www.google.com > + ARecord: www.google.com of type CNAME on class Internet: www.l.google.com > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.147 > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.103 > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.105 > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.104 > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.99 > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.106 > > > - Dns: > + QRecord: www.google.com.hk of type Host Addr on class Internet > + ARecord: www.google.com.hk of type CNAME on class Internet: www.google.com > + ARecord: www.google.com of type CNAME on class Internet: www.l.google.com > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.147 > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.106 > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.99 > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.103 > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.104 > + ARecord: www.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.105 > > > - Dns: > + QRecord: groups.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet > + ARecord: groups.google.com of type CNAME on class Internet: groups.l.google.com > + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.101 > + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.139 > + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.138 > + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.113 > + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.102 > + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.100 > > > - Dns: > + QRecord: groups.google.de of type Host Addr on class Internet > + ARecord: groups.google.de of type CNAME on class Internet: groups.google.com > + ARecord: groups.google.com of type CNAME on class Internet: groups.l.google.com > + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.138 > + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.113 > + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.102 > + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.100 > + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.101 > + ARecord: groups.l.google.com of type Host Addr on class Internet: 64.233.183.139 > > "LU Wei" <luweitest@address.invalid> wrote: >> google.cn
Re: �ȸ�����ԭ��
Author: Moses
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:28
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:28
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me2 :D "snnn" <snnn119@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ho9l7f$mgr$1@www.shinco.com... > On 2010/3/23 13:33, Moses wrote: >> 現在應該好了吧~~ >> >> >> >> "LU Wei" <luweitest@address.invalid> wrote in message >> news:hoacoi.d4.1@luweitest.vicp.net... >>> google.cn转掉没意见,干嘛把google.com都转了?现在好像是根据IP把大陆的访 >>> 问全定向到hk去了 >>> > > 我一直在用.com > > >
Re: �ȸ�����ԭ��
Author: Moses
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:29
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:29
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先将浏览器语言顺序改为英文优先, 再用 IP 试试? http://72.14.203.103 "Goo" <g@l.e> wrote in message news:ho9mke$fi9$1@news.eternal-september.org... > 我这儿14:09还是把www.google.com/ncr都转了 > > + Ipv4: Dest = 64.233.183.104 > - Http: Request, GET /ncr > Command: GET > + URI: /ncr > ProtocolVersion: HTTP/1.1 > Host: www.google.com > UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 ... > Accept: text/xml... > Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.7,zh-cn;q=0.3 > Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate > Accept-Charset: UTF-8,* > Keep-Alive: 300 > Connection: keep-alive > HeaderEnd: CRLF > > + Ipv4: Src = 64.233.183.104 > - Http: Response, HTTP/1.1, Status Code = 302, URL: /ncr > ProtocolVersion: HTTP/1.1 > StatusCode: 302, Moved temporarily > Reason: Found > Location: http://www.google.com.hk/url?sa=p&cki=... > Cache-Control: private > + ContentType: text/html; charset=UTF-8 > Set-Cookie: PREF=ID=... > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:09:12 GMT > Server: gws > ContentLength: 448 > X-XSS-Protection: 0 > HeaderEnd: CRLF > + payload: HttpContentType = text/html; charset=UTF-8 > > "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote: >> 現在應該好了吧~~ >
Re: �ȸ�����ԭ��
Author: Goo
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:07
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:07
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本来已en-us优先了,今天之前www.google.com/ncr都没问题的。 今天测试中,有几次DNS也是72.14.203.*系列的IP,结果都一样。 直接http://72.14.203.103,首页是英文,但首页<form action="http://www.google.com/search" name=f>,一搜索,HTTP发送搜索请求时,Host不是IP而是form action指定的www.google.com,于是转到hk。 你那儿www.google.com/ncr今天没问题吗? "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote: > 先将浏览器语言顺序改为英文优先, 再用 IP 试试? > http://72.14.203.103 > > "Goo" <g@l.e> wrote: >> Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.7,zh-cn;q=0.3
Re: �ȸ�����ԭ��
Author: Moses
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:07
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:07
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我的都正常, 没遇到跳转的现象, 即使手工访问 google.cn 後跳转 google.com.hk, 再点击 Google.com in English 也能转回到纯英文版, 搜索时也不会转. -- 楼上 Goo 说的 "Re: 谷歌声明原文" 在某一分钟的第 25 秒被 Moses 所回复; 文件夹 ID 为 15276; 原帖 11 行共 1955 字节. G> 本来已en-us优先了,今天之前www.google.com/ncr都没问题的。 G> 今天测试中,有几次DNS也是72.14.203.*系列的IP,结果都一样。 G> 直接http://72.14.203.103,首页是英文,但首页<form G> action="http://www.google.com/search" G> name=f>,一搜索,HTTP发送搜索请求时,Host不是IP而是form action指定的www.google.com,于是转到hk。 G> 你那儿www.google.com/ncr今天没问题吗? G> "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote: >> 先将浏览器语言顺序改为英文优先, 再用 IP 试试? >> http://72.14.203.103 >> >> "Goo" <g@l.e> wrote: >>> Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.7,zh-cn;q=0.3
Re: �ȸ�����ԭ��
Author: Goo
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:00
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:00
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这么奇怪?你访问的www.google.com IP是多少? 72.14.203.103 我试过,英文优先,清除cookies、cache,Firefox、IE我这儿都是跳转hk。
我以 www.google.com/ncr www.google.com.hk 为关键词搜索,发现好多人也反映www.google.com/ncr被跳到hk。
+ Ipv4: Dest = 72.14.203.103
- Http: Request, GET /ncr
Command: GET
+ URI: /ncr
ProtocolVersion: HTTP/1.1
Host: www.google.com
UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0...
Accept: text/xml...
Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.7,zh-cn;q=0.3
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
Accept-Charset: UTF-8,*
Keep-Alive: 300
Connection: keep-alive
HeaderEnd: CRLF
+ Ipv4: Src = 72.14.203.103
- Http: Response, HTTP/1.1, Status Code = 302, URL: /ncr
ProtocolVersion: HTTP/1.1
StatusCode: 302, Moved temporarily
Reason: Found
Location: http://www.google.com.hk/url?sa=p&cki=...
Cache-Control: private
+ ContentType: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Set-Cookie: PREF=ID=...
Set-Cookie: NID=33=...
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:35:31 GMT
Server: gws
ContentLength: 448
X-XSS-Protection: 0
HeaderEnd: CRLF
+ payload: HttpContentType = text/html; charset=UTF-8
"Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote:
> 我的都正常, 没遇到跳转的现象,
> 即使手工访问 google.cn 後跳转 google.com.hk, 再点击 Google.com in English 也能转回到纯英文版, 搜索时也不会转.
Re: �ȸ�����ԭ��
Author: Goo
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:04
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:04
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可能找到原因了。你没跳转是因为你以前的cookie还保存着。我跳转是因为我每次关闭浏览器都自动清除cookie。 所以今天我访问www.google.com/ncr,发送的http请求没有cookie, 而今天的www.google.com不知吃错什么药把没cookie的http请求跳转到http://www.google.com.hk/url?sa=p&cki... 而在www.google.com.hk点击Go to Google.com,发出的http请求的cookie没有LD=en:CR=2,吃错药的www.google.com把cookie没有LD=en:CR=2的请求跳转到http://www.google.com.hk/url?sa=p&cki... 就这样堕入轮回。 可以用 http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ncr 解决这问题。 scholar.google.com/scholar_ncr 导致 Set-Cookie: LD=en:CR=2。 随后访问www.google.com、www.google.com/ncr(包括www.google.com.hk的Go to Google.com)的http请求的cookie都有LD=en:CR=2,www.google.com不会跳转。 "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote: > 我的都正常, 没遇到跳转的现象, > 即使手工访问 google.cn 後跳转 google.com.hk, 再点击 Google.com in English 也能转回到纯英文版, 搜索时也不会转.
Re: 谷歌声明原文
Author: LU Wei
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:17
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:17
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Goo wrote on 2010-3-23 22:04: > �����ҵ�ԭ���ˡ���û��ת����Ϊ����ǰ��cookie�������š�����ת����Ϊ��ÿ�ιر���������Զ����cookie�� > > ���Խ����ҷ���www.google.com/ncr�����͵�http����û��cookie�� > ������www.google.com��֪�Դ�ʲôҩ��ûcookie��http������ת��http://www.google.com.hk/url?sa=p&cki... > ����www.google.com.hk���Go to Google.com��������http�����cookieû��LD=en:CR=2���Դ�ҩ��www.google.com��cookieû��LD=en:CR=2��������ת��http://www.google.com.hk/url?sa=p&cki... > ����������ֻء� > > ������ http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ncr ��������⡣ > scholar.google.com/scholar_ncr ���� Set-Cookie: LD=en:CR=2�� > ������www.google.com��www.google.com/ncr������www.google.com.hk��Go to Google.com����http�����cookie����LD=en:CR=2��www.google.com������ת�� ��л�������� -- Regards, LU Wei PGP key ID: 0x92CCE1EA
Re: �ȸ�����ԭ��
Author: Moses
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 01:20
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 01:20
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应该是这个原因, 我没有清 cookies 这么复杂的解决方法都被你研究出来了 -_-! "Goo" <g@l.e> wrote in message news:hoahrs$l2a$1@news.eternal-september.org... > 可能找到原因了。你没跳转是因为你以前的cookie还保存着。我跳转是因为我每次关闭浏览器都自动清除cookie。 > > 所以今天我访问www.google.com/ncr,发送的http请求没有cookie, > 而今天的www.google.com不知吃错什么药把没cookie的http请求跳转到http://www.google.com.hk/url?sa=p&cki... > 而在www.google.com.hk点击Go to Google.com,发出的http请求的cookie没有LD=en:CR=2,吃错药的www.google.com把cookie没有LD=en:CR=2的请求跳转到http://www.google.com.hk/url?sa=p&cki... > 就这样堕入轮回。 > > 可以用 http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ncr 解决这问题。 > scholar.google.com/scholar_ncr 导致 Set-Cookie: LD=en:CR=2。 > 随后访问www.google.com、www.google.com/ncr(包括www.google.com.hk的Go to Google.com)的http请求的cookie都有LD=en:CR=2,www.google.com不会跳转。 > > "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote: >> 我的都正常, 没遇到跳转的现象, >> 即使手工访问 google.cn 後跳转 google.com.hk, 再点击 Google.com in English 也能转回到纯英文版, 搜索时也不会转. >
Re: �ȸ�����ԭ��
Author: Goo
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 03:25
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 03:25
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昨天无意中发现的。谷歌声明说把Google Search、Google News、Google Images三个服务跳转到hk,我就看看其他服务怎样了。 http://www.google.cn/intl/zh-CN/options/ 列出的服务果然除了声明的三个服务外,其余都没跳转。 http://www.google.com.hk/ 的简体首页的视频、音乐链接指向google.cn,但把“更多”指向google.com.hk(可见谷歌的转移工作没做仔细),于是www.google.cn/dictionary、scholar.google.cn这些服务如果不知道地址就“丢”了。 scholar.google.cn、scholar.google.com.hk都有Google Scholar in English http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ncr,我点击之后再点击www.google.com就不跳转了。 比较scholar.google.com/scholar_ncr前后的两个www.google.com http请求,除了cookie多了LD=en:CR=2之外其余全都一样。而LD=en:CR=2 domain=.google.com是scholar.google.com/scholar_ncr http回应时设置的。 而www.google.com/ncr http回应时设置的cookie domain=.google.com但没LD=en:CR=2。接着被转到www.google.com.hk/ncr,其http回应时设置cookie LD=en:CR=2 domain=.google.com.hk。 我在想到底是Google故意为之还是www.google.cn转移带来的bug。如果故意为之就有点居心不良,把www.google.com/ncr的用户强制拉到hk,扩大www.google.cn转移的影响(也许有人说www.google.cn转移天下尽知用不着拉客扩大影响吧,但上次发声明也是天下尽知,Google还另外花钱在网页做广告扩大影响,而www.google.com/ncr的用户很多是在中国工作的外国人,Google存心拉这些客也不无可能)。 如果是www.google.cn转移带来的bug,那么怎样的程序逻辑才会有这种结果? "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote: > 应该是这个原因, 我没有清 cookies > 这么复杂的解决方法都被你研究出来了 -_-!
Re: �ȸ�����ԭ��
Author: Moses
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:14
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:14
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呵呵, 很细心 这个 bug 可能是粗心吧, 不太清楚 cookie 里参数的含义............ PS: 花钱买广告为自己的政策做说明应该是 Google 的常规举动, 包括上次拒绝撤下结果中丑化米歇尔奥巴马的那幅照片, 这次退到香港也都有自己买自己的广告 (在 Google. 上搜索 "谷歌" 会看见赞助商连接 Google.com/press/shengming, 转向到 http://www.google.com/press/new-approach-to-china/update.html ) "Goo" <g@l.e> wrote in message news:hoc0rh$qt2$1@news.eternal-september.org... > 昨天无意中发现的。谷歌声明说把Google Search、Google News、Google Images三个服务跳转到hk,我就看看其他服务怎样了。 > > http://www.google.cn/intl/zh-CN/options/ 列出的服务果然除了声明的三个服务外,其余都没跳转。 > > http://www.google.com.hk/ 的简体首页的视频、音乐链接指向google.cn,但把“更多”指向google.com.hk(可见谷歌的转移工作没做仔细),于是www.google.cn/dictionary、scholar.google.cn这些服务如果不知道地址就“丢”了。 > > scholar.google.cn、scholar.google.com.hk都有Google Scholar in English http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ncr,我点击之后再点击www.google.com就不跳转了。 > > 比较scholar.google.com/scholar_ncr前后的两个www.google.com http请求,除了cookie多了LD=en:CR=2之外其余全都一样。而LD=en:CR=2 domain=.google.com是scholar.google.com/scholar_ncr http回应时设置的。 > > 而www.google.com/ncr http回应时设置的cookie domain=.google.com但没LD=en:CR=2。接着被转到www.google.com.hk/ncr,其http回应时设置cookie LD=en:CR=2 domain=.google.com.hk。 > > 我在想到底是Google故意为之还是www.google.cn转移带来的bug。如果故意为之就有点居心不良,把www.google.com/ncr的用户强制拉到hk,扩大www.google.cn转移的影响(也许有人说www.google.cn转移天下尽知用不着拉客扩大影响吧,但上次发声明也是天下尽知,Google还另外花钱在网页做广告扩大影响,而www.google.com/ncr的用户很多是在中国工作的外国人,Google存心拉这些客也不无可能)。 > > 如果是www.google.cn转移带来的bug,那么怎样的程序逻辑才会有这种结果? > > "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote: >> 应该是这个原因, 我没有清 cookies >> 这么复杂的解决方法都被你研究出来了 -_-!
Re: �ȸ�����ԭ��
Author: Gaule
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:34
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:34
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cookie参数的含义是web程序自定义的,
LD=en 大概是Language Dialect(或者Language iDentifier)=English,
CR=2 大概是Country Redirect(或者Country Region)=2。
今天下午还是有这bug,晚上已经修复了。
+ Ipv4: Dest = 74.125.153.104
- Http: Request, GET /ncr
Command: GET
+ URI: /ncr
ProtocolVersion: HTTP/1.1
Host: www.google.com
UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0...
Accept: text/xml...
Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.7,zh-cn;q=0.3
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
Accept-Charset: UTF-8,*
Keep-Alive: 300
Connection: keep-alive
Referer: http://www.google.com.hk/
Cookie: PREF=ID=..:NW=1:TM=..:LM=..:S=..; NID=..
HeaderEnd: CRLF
+ Ipv4: Src = 74.125.153.104
- Http: Response, HTTP/1.1, Status Code = 302, URL: /ncr
ProtocolVersion: HTTP/1.1
StatusCode: 302, Moved temporarily
Reason: Found
Location: http://www.google.com/
Cache-Control: private
+ ContentType: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Set-Cookie: PREF=ID=..:U=..:LD=en:NW=1:CR=2:TM=..:LM=..:S=..; expires=Sat, 24-Mar-2012 12:39:11 GMT; path=/; domain=.google.com
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:39:11 GMT
Server: gws
ContentLength: 219
X-XSS-Protection: 0
HeaderEnd: CRLF
- payload: HttpContentType = text/html; charset=UTF-8
HtmlElement: <HTML>
HtmlElement: <HEAD>
HtmlElement: <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=utf-8">
HtmlElement:
<TITLE>
HtmlElement: 302 Moved</TITLE>
HtmlElement: </HEAD>
HtmlElement: <BODY>
HtmlElement:
<H1>
HtmlElement: 302 Moved</H1>
HtmlElement:
The document has moved
<A HREF="http://www.google.com/">
HtmlElement: here</A>
HtmlElement: .
</BODY>
HtmlElement: </HTML>
HtmlElement:
"Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote:
> 呵呵, 很细心
> 这个 bug 可能是粗心吧, 不太清楚 cookie 里参数的含义............
> PS: 花钱买广告为自己的政策做说明应该是 Google 的常规举动
Re: �ȸ�����ԭ��
Author: Moses
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:15
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:15
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嗯, 修复了~~ -- 楼上 Gaule 说的 "Re: 谷歌声明原文" 在某一分钟的第 23 秒被 Moses 所回复; 文件夹 ID 为 58; 原帖 37 行共 4206 字节. G> cookie参数的含义是web程序自定义的, G> LD=en 大概是Language Dialect(或者Language iDentifier)=English, G> CR=2 大概是Country Redirect(或者Country Region)=2。 G> 今天下午还是有这bug,晚上已经修复了。 G> + Ipv4: Dest = 74.125.153.104 G> - Http: Request, GET /ncr G> Command: GET G> + URI: /ncr G> ProtocolVersion: HTTP/1.1 G> Host: www.google.com G> UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0... G> Accept: text/xml... G> Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.7,zh-cn;q=0.3 G> Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate G> Accept-Charset: UTF-8,* G> Keep-Alive: 300 G> Connection: keep-alive G> Referer: http://www.google.com.hk/ G> Cookie: PREF=ID=..:NW=1:TM=..:LM=..:S=..; NID=.. G> HeaderEnd: CRLF G> + Ipv4: Src = 74.125.153.104 G> - Http: Response, HTTP/1.1, Status Code = 302, URL: /ncr G> ProtocolVersion: HTTP/1.1 G> StatusCode: 302, Moved temporarily G> Reason: Found G> Location: http://www.google.com/ G> Cache-Control: private G> + ContentType: text/html; charset=UTF-8 G> Set-Cookie: PREF=ID=..:U=..:LD=en:NW=1:CR=2:TM=..:LM=..:S=..; expires=Sat, G> 24-Mar-2012 12:39:11 GMT; path=/; domain=.google.com G> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:39:11 GMT G> Server: gws G> ContentLength: 219 G> X-XSS-Protection: 0 G> HeaderEnd: CRLF G> - payload: HttpContentType = text/html; charset=UTF-8 G> HtmlElement: <HTML> G> HtmlElement: <HEAD> G> HtmlElement: <meta http-equiv="content-type" G> content="text/html;charset=utf-8"> G> HtmlElement: G> <TITLE> G> HtmlElement: 302 Moved</TITLE> G> HtmlElement: </HEAD> G> HtmlElement: <BODY> G> HtmlElement: G> <H1> G> HtmlElement: 302 Moved</H1> G> HtmlElement: G> The document has moved G> <A HREF="http://www.google.com/"> G> HtmlElement: here</A> G> HtmlElement: . G> </BODY> G> HtmlElement: </HTML> G> HtmlElement: G> "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote: >> 呵呵, 很细心 >> 这个 bug 可能是粗心吧, 不太清楚 cookie 里参数的含义............ >> PS: 花钱买广告为自己的政策做说明应该是 Google 的常规举动
Re: A new approach to China: an update
Author: Gaule
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:38
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:38
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如果是我,www.google.cn主页不重定向,取消搜索框,代之以www.google.com.hk\search \images \news链接,这样实事求是地反映www.google.cn的变化。 而谷歌为营造www.google.cn南迁香港的骗局,把主页重定向,然后又把\music \ditu“出口转内销”。 这样做至少有一点不符合法律要求“应当在网站开通时在主页底部中央位置标明备案编号”,www.google.cn也主页都没了,根本没标明ICP证合字B2-20070004号。 "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote: > 关于谷歌中国的最新声明 > 在Google.com.hk上提供未经审查的简体中文搜索结果——它完全符合法律要求
Re: A new approach to China: an update
Author: wanglei
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:08
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:08
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���й�����վ���鷳���ȸ�ᵽ����Ǹ������⡣ Gaule said the following on 03/31/2010 08:38 PM http://weblog-wanglei.appspot.com/ д��: > ������ң�www.google.cn��ҳ���ض���ȡ��������֮��www.google.com.hk\search \images \news���ӣ�����ʵ�����ǵط�ӳwww.google.cn�ı仯�� > > ��ȸ�ΪӪ��www.google.cn��Ǩ��۵�ƭ�֣�����ҳ�ض���Ȼ���ְ�\music \ditu������ת���� > > ������������һ�㲻��Ϸ���Ҫ��Ӧ������վ��ͨʱ����ҳ�ײ�����λ�ñ���������š���www.google.cnҲ��ҳ��û�ˣ���û����ICP֤����B2-20070004�š� > > "Moses"<moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote:
Re: A new approach to China: an update
Author: Moses
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 08:57
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 08:57
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需不需要備案號和是不是 cn 域名沒有必然關系 備案是安裝服務器的地理位置來要求的, 所以 163.com 這樣非 cn 的服務器也需要備案 而現在已不在中國的 google.cn 是不需要備案的 -- 楼上 Gaule 说的 "Re: A new approach to China: an update" 在某一分钟的第 29 秒被 Moses 所回复; 文件夹 ID 为 15276; 原帖 11 行共 1844 字节. G> 这样做至少有一点不符合法律要求“应当在网站开通时在主页底部中央位置标明备案编号”,www.google.cn也主页都没了,根本没标明ICP证合字 G> B2-20070004号。 G> "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote: >> 关于谷歌中国的最新声明 >> 在Google.com.hk上提供未经审查的简体中文搜索结果——它完全符合法律要求
Re: A new approach to China: an update
Author: Gaule
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:00
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:00
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http://www.google.cn/intl/zh-CN/options/看看google.cn除了3个搜索,其余产品,大陆访问全在北京服务器,这些服务要不要备案? "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote: > 而現在已不在中國的 google.cn 是不需要備案的
Re: A new approach to China: an update
Author: Moses
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:12
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:12
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那些是二級頁面了 -- 楼上 Gaule 说的 "Re: A new approach to China: an update" 在某一分钟的第 05 秒被 Moses 所回复; 文件夹 ID 为 15276; 原帖 5 行共 1530 字节. G> http://www.google.cn/intl/zh-CN/options/看看google.cn除了3个搜索,其余产品,大陆访问全在北京服务器,这些服务要不要备案? G> "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote: >> 而現在已不在中國的 google.cn 是不需要備案的
Re: A new approach to China: an update
Author: Gaule
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 17:03
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 17:03
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“未在其网站主页上标明其经营许可证编号或者备案编号的,由省、自治区、直辖市电信管理机构责令改正,处5000元以上5万元以下的罚款。” 这规定的意思是 A:(1)网站要标明编号(2)编号标明在主页。 B:(1)网站如果有主页,编号标明在主页(2)网站如果有没主页,编号就不用标明了。 我认为是A的意思。如果是B,那2007年前的Google.com.cn、Google.cn只要把主页重定向到www.google.com/intl/zh-CN/options/,然后再把搜索重定向回Google.cn/search?,这样就不用标明编号了,何必标明京ICP证050124号这个从ganji.com非法借用的许可证编号? "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote: > 那些是二級頁面了 > >>> "Gaule" <goo@l.e> wrote: >>>> www.google.cn也主页都没了,根本没标明ICP证合字B2-20070004号。
Re: A new approach to China: an update
Author: Moses
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 18:32
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 18:32
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我认为 A, B 都不适合现在 Google 音乐等服务的情况, 因为: 1) Google.cn 现在虽然有主页, 但这个 Google.cn 主页是不需要备案的, 因为 Google.cn 主页不在中国大陆; 2) Google 音乐等, 现在是 Google.cn 的二级页面, 所以 Google 音乐等也不需要写备案号的, 如果这些服务有独立的主页才要列出备案号. -- 楼上 Gaule 说的 "Re: A new approach to China: an update" 在某一分钟的第 07 秒被 Moses 所回复; 文件夹 ID 为 15276; 原帖 13 行共 2249 字节. G> “未在其网站主页上标明其经营许可证编号或者备案编号的,由省、自治区、直辖市电信管理机构责令改正,处5000元以上5万元以下的罚款。” G> 这规定的意思是 G> A:(1)网站要标明编号(2)编号标明在主页。 G> B:(1)网站如果有主页,编号标明在主页(2)网站如果有没主页,编号就不用标明了。 G> 我认为是A的意思。如果是B,那2007年前的Google.com.cn、Google.cn只要把主页重定向到www.google.com/int G> l/zh-CN/options/,然后再把搜索重定向回Google.cn/search?,这样就不用标明编号了,何必标明京ICP证050124号 G> 这个从ganji.com非法借用的许可证编号? G> "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote: >> 那些是二級頁面了 >> >>>> "Gaule" <goo@l.e> wrote: >>>>> www.google.cn也主页都没了,根本没标明ICP证合字B2-20070004号。
Re: A new approach to China: an update
Author: Mea Culpa
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:12
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:12
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的确是假象,G.cn这个阉货应该真死~ ["Followup-To:" header set to cn.comp.internet.] On 2010-03-31, Gaule <goo@l.e> wrote: > 如果是我,www.google.cn主页不重定向,取消搜索框,代之以www.google.com.hk\search \images \news链接,这样实事求是地反映www.google.cn的变化。 > > 而谷歌为营造www.google.cn南迁香港的骗局,把主页重定向,然后又把\music \ditu“出口转内销”。 > > 这样做至少有一点不符合法律要求“应当在网站开通时在主页底部中央位置标明备案编号”,www.google.cn也主页都没了,根本没标明ICP证合字B2-20070004号。 > > "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote: >> 关于谷歌中国的最新声明 >> 在Google.com.hk上提供未经审查的简体中文搜索结果――它完全符合法律要求 -- ------------------------------------------ http://www.ucarenya.com http://feeds.feedburner.com/meaculpahideout -------------------------------------------
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