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17 total messages Started by buzzard Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:47
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#46
Author: buzzard
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:47
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Richard Stallman sent a message to OpenBSD-Misc, explaining why he doesn't
recommend OpenBSD. "From what I have heard, OpenBSD does not contain non-free
software (though I am not sure whether it contains any non-free firmware blobs).
However, its ports system does suggest non-free programs, or at least so I was
told when I looked for some BSD variant that I could recommend. I therefore
exercise my freedom of speech by not including OpenBSD in the list of systems
that I recommend to the public." His mail started a huge thread (that's just
page 1) and since then he's under a blast of messages from Theo de Raadt and the
OpenBSD users. De Raadt replied: "Richard, you are wrong. You said very clearly
in your interview that the ports tree contains non-free software. It does not.
It is just a scaffold of Makefiles containing URLs, and an occasional patch here
or there. You are just plain wrong. And you are not enough of a man to admit
that you are wrong. I may be unfriendly at times, but you are a power-misusing
hypocritical liar who attacks projects that try harder than any others to only
make free software available. Shame on you."

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Re: ����㿪Դ���ֳ�����
#47
Author: Moses
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:41
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呵呵, 之前说过了啊, RMS 领导下的自由软件基金会更愿意把那些软件称为自由软件, 而避免使用开源软件这样的词语, 

开源软件和自由软件的理念是有区别的, 虽然过去能相安无事一段时间, 但随着自由软件/开源软件力量的越来越壮大, 两者的分歧就越来越明显和公开了...


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楼上 buzzard 说的 "好嘛,搞开源的又吵架了" 在某一分钟的第 38 秒被 Moses 所回复;
文件夹 ID 为 67;
原帖 23 行共 2245 字节.

 b> 事情的起因是Stallman说openbsd的port tree里包含non-free软件,所以他不推荐Openbsd
 b> 哈哈这下可惹恼了大嘴巴Theo de Raadt,说他用伪善的谎言攻击一个比其他项目更努力
 b> 致力于自由软件的项目。实际上,仅仅是在Makefile里包含了一下链接和补丁。

 b> 转发一下在OsNews看的新闻:
 b> Richard Stallman sent a message to OpenBSD-Misc, explaining why he
 b> doesn't recommend OpenBSD. "From what I have heard, OpenBSD does not
 b> contain non-free software (though I am not sure whether it contains any 
 b> non-free firmware blobs). However, its ports system does suggest
 b> non-free programs, or at least so I was told when I looked for some BSD 
 b> variant that I could recommend. I therefore exercise my freedom of
 b> speech by not including OpenBSD in the list of systems that I recommend 
 b> to the public." His mail started a huge thread (that's just page 1) and 
 b> since then he's under a blast of messages from Theo de Raadt and the
 b> OpenBSD users. De Raadt replied: "Richard, you are wrong. You said very clearly
 b> in your interview that the ports tree contains non-free software. It
 b> does not. It is just a scaffold of Makefiles containing URLs, and an
 b> occasional patch here or there. You are just plain wrong. And you are
 b> not enough of a man to admit that you are wrong. I may be unfriendly at 
 b> times, but you are a power-misusing hypocritical liar who attacks
 b> projects that try harder than any others to only make free software
 b> available. Shame on you."

 b> 不过我也觉得Stallman也太过于理想主义了。开源的本来还不多,还互相攻击一下,真嫌不够热闹?
Re: ����㿪Դ���ֳ�����
#48
Author: buzzard
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:22
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:41:36 +0800, "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote:

>�Ǻ�, ֮ǰ˵���˰�, RMS �쵼�µ�������������Ը�����Щ�����Ϊ�������, �����ʹ�ÿ�Դ�������Ĵ���, 
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Re: ����㿪Դ���ֳ�����
#49
Author: Moses
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:37
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呵呵, 只试装过 FreeBSD, OpenBSD 还没用过 ^_^;



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楼上 buzzard 说的 "Re: 好嘛,搞开源的又吵架了" 在某一分钟的第 36 秒被 Moses 所回复;
文件夹 ID 为 225733;
原帖 9 行共 1253 字节.

 b> ^_^不过双方都是比较偏执的人,呵呵不过不管怎么样,Openbsd做的已经很不错了。
 b> 除了Freebsd以外,其他两个都时而面临资金紧张问题

 b> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:41:36 +0800, "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote:

 >> 呵呵, 之前说过了啊, RMS 领导下的自由软件基金会更愿意把那些软件称为自由软件, 而避免使用开源软件这样的词语, 
 >> 
 >> 开源软件和自由软件的理念是有区别的, 虽然过去能相安无事一段时间, 但随着自由软件/开源软件力量的越来越壮大,
 >> 两者的分歧就越来越明显和公开了...
Re: ����㿪Դ���ֳ�����
#50
Author: buzzard
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:31
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:37:19 +0800, "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote:

>�Ǻ�, ֻ��װ�� FreeBSD, OpenBSD ��û�ù� ^_^;
>
>
>
>--
>¥�� buzzard ˵�� "Re: ����㿪Դ���ֳ�����" ��ijһ���ӵĵ� 36 �뱻 Moses ��ظ�;
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> b> ^_^����˫�����DZȽ�ƫִ���ˣ��ǺDz������ô��Openbsd�����Ѿ��ܲ����ˡ�
> b> ����Freebsd���⣬����������ʱ�������ʽ��������
>
> b> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:41:36 +0800, "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> �Ǻ�, ֮ǰ˵���˰�, RMS �쵼�µ�������������Ը�����Щ�����Ϊ�������, �����ʹ�ÿ�Դ�������Ĵ���, 
> >> 
> >> ��Դ��������������������������, ��Ȼ��ȥ���ల����һ��ʱ��, �������������/��Դ���������Խ��Խ׳��,
> >> ���ߵķ����Խ��Խ���Ժ͹�����...
Re: ����㿪Դ���ֳ�����
#51
Author: Moses
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:22
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哦 有机会试试 :)


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楼上 buzzard 说的 "Re: 好嘛,搞开源的又吵架了" 在某一分钟的第 29 秒被 Moses 所回复;
文件夹 ID 为 225733;
原帖 24 行共 1731 字节.

 b> OpenBSD的安装比较麻烦的,官方没有提供ISO,呵呵有光盘不过要自己去买
 b> 只有一些爱好者提供的安装盘下载

 b> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:37:19 +0800, "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote:

 >> 呵呵, 只试装过 FreeBSD, OpenBSD 还没用过 ^_^;
 >> 
 >> --
 >> 楼上 buzzard 说的 "Re: 好嘛,搞开源的又吵架了" 在某一分钟的第 36 秒被 Moses 所回复;
 >> 文件夹 ID 为 225733;
 >> 原帖 9 行共 1253 字节.
 >> 
 b>>> ^_^不过双方都是比较偏执的人,呵呵不过不管怎么样,Openbsd做的已经很不错了。
 b>>> 除了Freebsd以外,其他两个都时而面临资金紧张问题
 >> 
 b>>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:41:36 +0800, "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote:
 >> 
 >>>> 呵呵, 之前说过了啊, RMS 领导下的自由软件基金会更愿意把那些软件称为自由软件, 而避免使用开源软件这样的词语, 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 开源软件和自由软件的理念是有区别的, 虽然过去能相安无事一段时间, 但随着自由软件/开源软件力量的越来越壮大,
 >>>> 两者的分歧就越来越明显和公开了...
Re: 好嘛,搞开源的又吵架了
#52
Author: snnn
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:49
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"Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> writes:

> �Ǻ�, ֻ��װ�� FreeBSD, OpenBSD ��û�ù� ^_^;

FreebsdҲ�� ��� 

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Re: ����㿪Դ���ֳ�����
#53
Author: buzzard
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:50
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^_^

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:22:29 +0800, "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ŷ �л������ :)
>
>
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>¥�� buzzard ˵�� "Re: ����㿪Դ���ֳ�����" ��ijһ���ӵĵ� 29 �뱻 Moses ��ظ�;
>�ļ��� ID Ϊ 225733;
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> b> OpenBSD�İ�װ�Ƚ��鷳�ģ��ٷ�û���ṩISO���Ǻ��й��̲���Ҫ�Լ�ȥ��
> b> ֻ��һЩ�������ṩ�İ�װ������
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> b> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:37:19 +0800, "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> �Ǻ�, ֻ��װ�� FreeBSD, OpenBSD ��û�ù� ^_^;
> >> 
> >> --
> >> ¥�� buzzard ˵�� "Re: ����㿪Դ���ֳ�����" ��ijһ���ӵĵ� 36 �뱻 Moses ��ظ�;
> >> �ļ��� ID Ϊ 225733;
> >> ԭ�� 9 �й� 1253 �ֽ�.
> >> 
> b>>> ^_^����˫�����DZȽ�ƫִ���ˣ��ǺDz������ô��Openbsd�����Ѿ��ܲ����ˡ�
> b>>> ����Freebsd���⣬����������ʱ�������ʽ��������
> >> 
> b>>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:41:36 +0800, "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>>> �Ǻ�, ֮ǰ˵���˰�, RMS �쵼�µ�������������Ը�����Щ�����Ϊ�������, �����ʹ�ÿ�Դ�������Ĵ���, 
> >>>> 
> >>>> ��Դ��������������������������, ��Ȼ��ȥ���ల����һ��ʱ��, �������������/��Դ���������Խ��Խ׳��,
> >>>> ���ߵķ����Խ��Խ���Ժ͹�����...
Re: ����㿪Դ���ֳ�����
#54
Author: buzzard
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:50
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:49:41 +0800, snnn <snnn119@gmail.com.removeme> wrote:

>"Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> �Ǻ�, ֻ��װ�� FreeBSD, OpenBSD ��û�ù� ^_^;
>
>FreebsdҲ�� ��� 

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Re: ����㿪Դ���ֳ�����
#55
Author: Moses
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:03
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哦, 不太清楚他们的区别和联系~~~
我对 BSD 了解还很少, 当时也只是装着好玩的, 没多久就给干掉了...

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楼上 snnn 说的 "Re: 好嘛,搞开源的又吵架了" 在某一分钟的第 05 秒被 Moses 所回复;
文件夹 ID 为 225733;
原帖 8 行共 1134 字节.

 s> "Moses" <moses.mason@gmail.com> writes:

 >> 呵呵, 只试装过 FreeBSD, OpenBSD 还没用过 ^_^;

 s> Freebsd也是 如此 

 s> -- 
 s> my blog: http://www.sunchangming.com/blog/
Re: 好嘛,搞开源的又吵架了
#56
Author: joe choung
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:32
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#57
Author: buzzard
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:03
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:32:43 +0800, joe choung <joe_choung@126.com> wrote:

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Re: 好嘛,搞开源的又吵架了
#58
Author: joe choung
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:53
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buzzard �:
> �Ǻǣ��������Stallmanһ��
> �����һ��Ǿ��öԴ�ǿ�Դ�ľ����ˮ����Ҳ����
> 
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:32:43 +0800, joe choung <joe_choung@126.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ҳ��Stallman�ǶԵ�.����ں�С����,��ô�����ǿ�Դ�Ķ����ͻ���Ƕ�뿪
>> Դ�Ķ�����.��΢�Ž���!
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> 
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Re: 好嘛,搞开源的又吵架了
#59
Author: It's me FKtPp ;)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:40
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joe choung <joe_choung@126.com> writes:

> Ҳ��Stallman�ǶԵ�.����ں�С����,��ô�����ǿ�Դ�Ķ����ͻ���Ƕ
> �뿪Դ�Ķ�����.��΢�Ž���!  ������˵��,������.

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Re: 好嘛,搞开源的又吵架了
#60
Author: It's me FKtPp ;)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:42
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buzzard <buzzard@126.com> writes:

> OpenBSD�İ�װ�Ƚ��鷳�ģ��ٷ�û���ṩISO���Ǻ��й��̲���Ҫ�Լ�ȥ��
> ֻ��һЩ�������ṩ�İ�װ������

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Re: ����㿪Դ���ֳ�����
#61
Author: buzzard
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 02:08
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:53:52 +0800, joe choung <joe_choung@126.com> wrote:

>buzzard �:
>> �Ǻǣ��������Stallmanһ��
>> �����һ��Ǿ��öԴ�ǿ�Դ�ľ����ˮ����Ҳ����
>> 
>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:32:43 +0800, joe choung <joe_choung@126.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ҳ��Stallman�ǶԵ�.����ں�С����,��ô�����ǿ�Դ�Ķ����ͻ���Ƕ�뿪
>>> Դ�Ķ�����.��΢�Ž���!
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>> 
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Re: ����㿪Դ���ֳ�����
#62
Author: buzzard
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 02:08
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:42:18 +0800, "It's me FKtPp ;)"
<m_pupil@yahoccolo.com.cn> wrote:

>buzzard <buzzard@126.com> writes:
>
>> OpenBSD�İ�װ�Ƚ��鷳�ģ��ٷ�û���ṩISO���Ǻ��й��̲���Ҫ�Լ�ȥ��
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