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"Admin" <admin@i70west.com> wrote in message
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> Just wondering, who is the Admin or Maintainer for the Co. Hiararchy?

I tried to find (e-mail) billofdenver.
He was posting through rmi (I believe) and now that
directs to Earthlink.

Got "permanent error" messages for all the below:
billofdenver@usa.net
billofdenver@earthlink.net
billofdenver@flashmail.com

Next step, I assume, would go to this group
'news.groups'
and ask what to do next about this now
unmanaged hierarchy.

"NotBill" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Admin" <admin@i70west.com> wrote in message
> news:700e489c5115757e577e7839c0a1d5ff@news.teranews.com...
> > Just wondering, who is the Admin or Maintainer for the Co.
Hiararchy?
>
> I tried to find (e-mail) billofdenver.
> He was posting through rmi (I believe) and now that
> directs to Earthlink.
>
> Got "permanent error" messages for all the below:
> billofdenver@usa.net
> billofdenver@earthlink.net
> billofdenver@flashmail.com
>
> Next step, I assume, would go to this group
> 'news.groups'
> and ask what to do next about this now
> unmanaged hierarchy.

Now it all makes sense.  There is no Administrator at this time.  Wow,
no wonder some think they can run roughshod.  Well, it appears that
this needs to be done.

Got any ideas?  Let's here them.

"Admin" <admin@i70west.com> wrote in message
>
> "NotBill" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >
> > "Admin" <admin@i70west.com> wrote in message
>>>
> > > Just wondering, who is the Admin or Maintainer for the Co.
> Hiararchy?
> >
> > I tried to find (e-mail) billofdenver.
> > He was posting through rmi (I believe) and now that
> > directs to Earthlink.
> >
> > Got "permanent error" messages for all the below:
> > billofdenver@usa.net
> > billofdenver@earthlink.net
> > billofdenver@flashmail.com
> >
> > Next step, I assume, would go to this group
> > 'news.groups'
> > and ask what to do next about this now
> > unmanaged hierarchy.
>
> Now it all makes sense.  There is no Administrator at this time.  Wow,
> no wonder some think they can run roughshod.

Don't know what you mean by roughshod.  But people should follow the
charter of the groups.  Whether it be in co.* or alt.* or any place on
usenet.
Does something need to be changed?  A new group added?  Or?

>  Well, it appears that
> this needs to be done.

> Got any ideas?  Let's here them.

All I can suggest is post a message over at news.groups (as above)
and see if they can suggest something for what ever you need to know.

<added news.groups>

Please see co.config for background.

co.* is in need of an admin as it has been abandoned for a couple years and
admin duties need to be accomplished by someone.

read on:

"NotBill" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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|
| "Admin" <admin@i70west.com> wrote in message
| >
| > "NotBill" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
| > >
| > > "Admin" <admin@i70west.com> wrote in message
| >>>
| > > > Just wondering, who is the Admin or Maintainer for the Co.
| > Hiararchy?
| > >
| > > I tried to find (e-mail) billofdenver.
| > > He was posting through rmi (I believe) and now that
| > > directs to Earthlink.
| > >
| > > Got "permanent error" messages for all the below:
| > > billofdenver@usa.net
| > > billofdenver@earthlink.net
| > > billofdenver@flashmail.com
| > >
| > > Next step, I assume, would go to this group
| > > 'news.groups'
| > > and ask what to do next about this now
| > > unmanaged hierarchy.
| >
| > Now it all makes sense.  There is no Administrator at this time.  Wow,
| > no wonder some think they can run roughshod.
|
| Don't know what you mean by roughshod.  But people should follow the
| charter of the groups.  Whether it be in co.* or alt.* or any place on
| usenet.
| Does something need to be changed?  A new group added?  Or?

1. Charter needs an update and clarification to reflect changes in the
Usenet environment since it's last update in 1999. Since the creation of
co.ads, co.cos.ads, etc there is no need for advertising in the discussion
groups.  "for sale" notices are being improperly placed in co.general, and
while this may not seem like such a terrible thing, it is inviting the mass
spammers to advertise in the discussion groups as well.

2. Yes, new groups need to be created.  co.durango.general &
co.grandjunction.general in particular.  I believe the grandjunction folks
gave up a year or so back as there was no admin to do it.  That's a shame.
Boosters should be being sent. An "official," news admin with a pgp key on
file to complete admin duties in accordance with Usenet tradition, IMO.



|
| >  Well, it appears that
| > this needs to be done.
|
| > Got any ideas?  Let's here them.
|
| All I can suggest is post a message over at news.groups (as above)
| and see if they can suggest something for what ever you need to know.
|
|
|

"kingfish" <spam_trap_void@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8p2jc.837$is3.217@fe07.usenetserver.com...
> <added news.groups>
>
> Please see co.config for background.
>
> co.* is in need of an admin as it has been abandoned for a couple
years and
> admin duties need to be accomplished by someone.
>
> read on:
>
> "NotBill" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:e8a4a198ad6730ce27c73f110d80cc16@news.bubbanews.com...
> |
> | "Admin" <admin@i70west.com> wrote in message
> | >
> | > "NotBill" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> | > >
> | > > "Admin" <admin@i70west.com> wrote in message
> | >>>
> | > > > Just wondering, who is the Admin or Maintainer for the Co.
> | > Hiararchy?
> | > >
> | > > I tried to find (e-mail) billofdenver.
> | > > He was posting through rmi (I believe) and now that
> | > > directs to Earthlink.
> | > >
> | > > Got "permanent error" messages for all the below:
> | > > billofdenver@usa.net
> | > > billofdenver@earthlink.net
> | > > billofdenver@flashmail.com
> | > >
> | > > Next step, I assume, would go to this group
> | > > 'news.groups'
> | > > and ask what to do next about this now
> | > > unmanaged hierarchy.
> | >
> | > Now it all makes sense.  There is no Administrator at this time.
Wow,
> | > no wonder some think they can run roughshod.
> |
> | Don't know what you mean by roughshod.  But people should follow
the
> | charter of the groups.  Whether it be in co.* or alt.* or any
place on
> | usenet.
> | Does something need to be changed?  A new group added?  Or?
>
> 1. Charter needs an update and clarification to reflect changes in
the
> Usenet environment since it's last update in 1999. Since the
creation of
> co.ads, co.cos.ads, etc there is no need for advertising in the
discussion
> groups.  "for sale" notices are being improperly placed in
co.general, and
> while this may not seem like such a terrible thing, it is inviting
the mass
> spammers to advertise in the discussion groups as well.
>
> 2. Yes, new groups need to be created.  co.durango.general &
> co.grandjunction.general in particular.  I believe the grandjunction
folks
> gave up a year or so back as there was no admin to do it.  That's a
shame.
> Boosters should be being sent. An "official," news admin with a pgp
key on
> file to complete admin duties in accordance with Usenet tradition,
IMO.

The first order of business is to find someone that is nuetral or
thereabouts who is willing to take over the Admin duties.  It's not
that bad, really.  But it sounds like co.config needs a complete redo
where it puts things into a Committee with the Admin sitting in the
center chair.  This way, the only real duty of the Admin will be tie
breakers and file the appropriate control messages which are really
just the RMgrouped messages and the Cmsg for new ones.  The Boosters
would also need to be done when a nutcase files an illegal message but
that's not too often.

As for getting NGs that have beem cmsged, each and everyone needs to
contact various NewsAdmins that you wish it using a copy of the
original Charter for that group.  That is not up to the Admin but the
folks that support the co.*.

BTW, I am in Grand Junction and it would be nice to see a GJ NG like
Boulder has.

If anyone wishes to become the Admin, I have server space they can use
to put the Policies, Procedures and a copy of the Charters so that
none of us have to go to ISC for them.

Just some thoughts.

"kingfish" <spam_trap_void@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8p2jc.837$is3.217@fe07.usenetserver.com...
> <added news.groups>
>
> Please see co.config for background.
>
> co.* is in need of an admin as it has been abandoned for a couple years
and
> admin duties need to be accomplished by someone.
>
> read on:
>
> "NotBill" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:e8a4a198ad6730ce27c73f110d80cc16@news.bubbanews.com...
> |
> | "Admin" <admin@i70west.com> wrote in message
> | >
> | > "NotBill" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> | > >
> | > > "Admin" <admin@i70west.com> wrote in message
> | >>>
> | > > > Just wondering, who is the Admin or Maintainer for the Co.
> | > Hiararchy?
> | > >
> | > > I tried to find (e-mail) billofdenver.
> | > > He was posting through rmi (I believe) and now that
> | > > directs to Earthlink.
> | > >
> | > > Got "permanent error" messages for all the below:
> | > > billofdenver@usa.net
> | > > billofdenver@earthlink.net
> | > > billofdenver@flashmail.com
> | > >
> | > > Next step, I assume, would go to this group
> | > > 'news.groups'
> | > > and ask what to do next about this now
> | > > unmanaged hierarchy.
> | >
> | > Now it all makes sense.  There is no Administrator at this time.  Wow,
> | > no wonder some think they can run roughshod.
> |
> | Don't know what you mean by roughshod.  But people should follow the
> | charter of the groups.  Whether it be in co.* or alt.* or any place on
> | usenet.
> | Does something need to be changed?  A new group added?  Or?
>
> 1. Charter needs an update and clarification to reflect changes in the
> Usenet environment since it's last update in 1999. Since the creation of
> co.ads, co.cos.ads, etc there is no need for advertising in the discussion
> groups.  "for sale" notices are being improperly placed in co.general, and
> while this may not seem like such a terrible thing, it is inviting the
mass
> spammers to advertise in the discussion groups as well.
>
> 2. Yes, new groups need to be created.  co.durango.general &
> co.grandjunction.general in particular.  I believe the grandjunction folks
> gave up a year or so back as there was no admin to do it.  That's a shame.
> Boosters should be being sent. An "official," news admin with a pgp key on
> file to complete admin duties in accordance with Usenet tradition, IMO.
>
>
>
> |
> | >  Well, it appears that
> | > this needs to be done.
> |
> | > Got any ideas?  Let's here them.
> |
> | All I can suggest is post a message over at news.groups (as above)
> | and see if they can suggest something for what ever you need to know.


Hopefully someone from 'news.groups' can help.  Offer suggestions etc.

"NotBill" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> > |
> > | All I can suggest is post a message over at news.groups (as
above)
> > | and see if they can suggest something for what ever you need to
know.
>
>
> Hopefully someone from 'news.groups' can help.  Offer suggestions
etc.

If you don't help yourself, don't look for help there.

So, find an Admin to take over this area and the guys and gals in
news.groups can help.  Not until then.  Until an Admin is found, this
is a dead Hiararchy.

"Henrietta K Thomas" <hkt@xnet.com> wrote in message
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> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:31:37 -0400, AUK Registrar
> <cjiii@mxyzptlk.net> wrote:
>
> Why is this being posted to us.config?  And who
> the hay is AUK Registrar?
>
> There seens to be some concern about the absentee
> admin of the co.* hierarchy.  BillofDenver abandoned
> his post a long time ago, kept promising to come back,
> but never did.  He has the PGP key, and until he lets
> it go, no one else can act on behalf of the co.* hierarchy.
> That is my understanding of the situation.

That would normally be correct except that a new PGP key can be put on
file under duress.  At the request of a group of News Admins running
together now, ISC will probably approve it once a good Admin is
located.  Afterall, ISC does wish to stay relevant.

"Henrietta K Thomas" <hkt@xnet.com> wrote in message
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> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:31:37 -0400, AUK Registrar
> <cjiii@mxyzptlk.net> wrote:
>
> Why is this being posted to us.config?  And who
> the hay is AUK Registrar?

IT's Vox.  Tracked it down to a Colorado connection on Comcast.  Guess
who that is?

He's running a bit skeered right now as people are zeroing in on him.

Any complaints for Poxy should be sent to comcast at abuse@comcast.net

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 02:42:48 GMT, "NotBill" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

>"kingfish" <spam_trap_void@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:8p2jc.837$is3.217@fe07.usenetserver.com...
>> <added news.groups>
>>
>> Please see co.config for background.
>>
>> co.* is in need of an admin as it has been abandoned 
>> for a couple years and admin duties need to be 
>> accomplished by someone.
>>
>> read on:

<snip summary of problems in the co.* hierarchy>

>Hopefully someone from 'news.groups' can help.  
>Offer suggestions etc.

news.groups is NOT the place to be.  news.groups
is the 'home' group for the Big 8 hierarchies and has
nothing whatsoever to do with regional or local
hierarchies.

The only other place you can go for general advice
is news.admin.hierarchies.  That group was set up
for discussion of Usenet hierarchy problems, and
is read on a regular basis by a number of site admins.
It may be a good idea to have a long-term co.config
person explain the situation to the folks in h.a.h. and
see what those admins have to say.

Followups to co.config.

Henrietta K. Thomas
us.* hierarchy coordinator
hkt@xnet.com
admin@usenetnews.us

"Henrietta K Thomas" <hkt@xnet.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 02:42:48 GMT, "NotBill" <me@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
> >"kingfish" <spam_trap_void@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:8p2jc.837$is3.217@fe07.usenetserver.com...
> >> <added news.groups>
> >>
> >> Please see co.config for background.
> >>
> >> co.* is in need of an admin as it has been abandoned
> >> for a couple years and admin duties need to be
> >> accomplished by someone.
> >>
> >> read on:
>
> <snip summary of problems in the co.* hierarchy>
>
> >Hopefully someone from 'news.groups' can help.
> >Offer suggestions etc.
>
> news.groups is NOT the place to be.  news.groups
> is the 'home' group for the Big 8 hierarchies and has
> nothing whatsoever to do with regional or local
> hierarchies.
>
> The only other place you can go for general advice
> is news.admin.hierarchies.  That group was set up
> for discussion of Usenet hierarchy problems, and
> is read on a regular basis by a number of site admins.
> It may be a good idea to have a long-term co.config
> person explain the situation to the folks in h.a.h. and
> see what those admins have to say.
>
> Followups to co.config.
>
> Henrietta K. Thomas
> us.* hierarchy coordinator
> hkt@xnet.com
> admin@usenetnews.us

HKT, will you go back to the sorry excuse of a Hiararchy you have and
tend to your own business.  You are only allowed to trash one at a
time.