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In article <don.38.000BE6D5@tripath.colosys.net>,
Don Wilkerson <don@tripath.colosys.net> wrote:
>In article <3rhqg1$fid@cassandra.cair.du.edu> Brad Varmo <bvarmo@lib.law.du.edu> writes:
>>From: Brad Varmo <bvarmo@lib.law.du.edu>
>>Subject: Re: They're back! Promise Keepers move to Denver
>>Date: 12 Jun 1995 16:37:21 GMT
>
>>jacobsd@ucsub.Colorado.EDU (JACOBS  DRU THOMAS) wrote:
>>>
>>> [A]n East Boulder woman says that she is sorry to see them [Promise
>>> Keepers] leave because they are all very polite unlike concert goers 
>>> of a Rolling Stones or Grateful Dead show.
>
>>Who is this woman, and where can I achieve the ignorant bliss that she
>>has apparently achieved?  These men are pigs, and the stories I have
>>heard over the past few years would make a nun blush!
>
>'...stories I have heard...',  It seems we like to base our facts on stories 
>we have heard!  Once one resorts to name calling it's usually an indication 
>there are no facts to back up the stories.


Ok, how about stories I witnessed and experienced first hand over two
years of Promise Keepers, two summers ago and three summers  ago.(last 
year I left town).

This is a rehash of a discussion that occured in this group last year
and led to the creation of boulder.pk 

Jill Lundquist, myself and a couple of others all related incidents 
we had first hand experience with. Most of the other stories I have
"heard" are consistent with what I personally witnessed, men peeing
in Boulder creek, men accosting women on the Boulder Creek path, and
behaving rudely in commercial establishments around town. Since a 
great many of these men were wearing Promise Keeper shirts and in the
vicinty of the stadium I don't think it is unreasonable of me to 
conclude that they were part of the PK conference. 

Note: With 60,000 attendees even if only 1/2 of 1 percent were acting
in an inappropriate manner that still translates to 3000 men, a sizable
number and large enough to be very visible. 



For the record the residents of University Heights(not east Boulder but
right across from the stadium), were very vocal after the conference
two years ago that the behavior of the PK'rs was worse than they'd
ever seen after a concert or football game. PK had made no arrangements
for traffic direction, inadequate arrangements for port-o-potties, and
not accurately estimated the impact of the conference on neighborhoods 
around the stadium. Last year PK took steps to  prevent a reoccurence of 
these incidents. The person in charge of these arrangements(himself a member 
of PK) made comments in the Denver Post that he had seen some of the 
inappropriate behavior the year before and wanted to make sure there was 
no reoccurrence. I did not hear a large number of complaints about last 
year's PK conf. as opposed to the two years previous to that. Since I
decided to leave town this time I have personal incidents, positive or 
negative, to relate. 

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