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On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 17:29:51 -0700, chatnoir <wolfbat359a@mindspring.com>  
wrote:

> On Jan 1, 1:34 pm, drylined <r...@d.mr> wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:42:49 -0700, chatnoir  
>> <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Dec 31, 2:25 pm, drylined <r...@d.mr> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:21:28 -0700, chatnoir
>> >> <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Dec 31, 11:18 am, drylined <r...@d.mr> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 04:33:01 -0700, chatnoir
>> >> >> <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > On Dec 30, 8:58 pm, drylined <r...@d.mr> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:48:31 -0700, chatnoir
>> >> >> >> <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> > On Dec 30, 4:19 pm, drylined <r...@d.mr> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:39:10 -0700, chatnoir
>> >> >> >> >> <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>  
>> >http://occupydenver.org/this-saturday-war-on-drug-march-rally-against...
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > This Saturday War On Drug March&  Rally Against Suncor
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > This Saturday 12/31 at noon we will be marching against  
>> the
>> >> war
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> >> > drugs, and joining up with the Rally Against Suncor, Tar
>> >> Sands
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> > Keystone XL Pipeline @ Skyline Park at 1pm.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> You forgot Sears, Brussell Sprouts, and E-470...
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > About The War on Drugs:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > Like most wars, we think this one has done more harm then
>> >> good
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> has
>> >> >> >> >> > gone on for way too long. It needs to END!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Of course you do, OD is a wholly owned subsidiary of Pot  
>> Inc.
>> >> dba
>> >> >> >> Bong
>> >> >> >> >> Industries.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Uh...huh...huh...huh...huh...huh...
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > Alcoholism… Drug Addiction… These are HEALTH issues, not
>> >> legal
>> >> >> >> ones.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Say that the next time a drunk driver kills your loved ones  
>> or
>> >> a
>> >> >> >> junkie
>> >> >> >> >> burglarizes your home.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > So why has money been endlessly poured into convicting  
>> drug
>> >> >> crimes
>> >> >> >> >> > rather than educating people and paying for treatment of
>> >> these
>> >> >> >> >> > conditions??!!
>>
>> >> >> >> >> It hasn't, it's gone into both, ever hear of D.A.R.E.?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > Because there is BIG PROFIT to be made on the
>> >> >> >> >> > enforcement of drug laws and the punishment for breaking
>> >> them.
>> >> >> Not
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> > mention big business/ government relationships with  
>> foreign
>> >> >> >> cartels!
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Oh pulleeeeze...this ain't Mexico you ludites.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > The War on Drugs has filled our prisons with nonviolent
>> >> >> “offenders”
>> >> >> >> >> > and has cost this country Billions. It’s been used to  
>> trample
>> >> >> civil
>> >> >> >> >> > rights and profit from misery all around. Drug addiction  
>> is a
>> >> >> >> disease
>> >> >> >> >> > that needs to be treated by medical professionals or any  
>> of
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> many
>> >> >> >> >> > 12-step programs out there. It’s a giant waste of time and
>> >> >> money to
>> >> >> >> >> > treat addiction in jails and prisons.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Which is why they don't currently treat it there.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > Drug addicts are treated unequally, under current law.  
>> Rush
>> >> >> >> Limbaugh
>> >> >> >> >> > got a pass for gobbling down Vicodin and Oxycontin like it
>> >> was
>> >> >> >> >> > popcorn.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Clinton claimed he never 'inhaled"...ikyabwai...
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > Then, he bragged about how he was morally superior to  
>> other
>> >> >> >> >> > addicts, espousing how “poor” addicts go to prison. For
>> >> once, he
>> >> >> >> spoke
>> >> >> >> >> > the truth.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Poor thieves go to prison too.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > There is a massive disconnect in our country between the
>> >> >> reality of
>> >> >> >> >> > substance problems and they are treated. But we now see  
>> who
>> >> >> >> benefits
>> >> >> >> >> > from the way it has been for so long.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> So go unlock the dopamine equation, stoner. Until then we  
>> will
>> >> >> >> continue
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> have addictions.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > About Suncor:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > It was reported in late November that oil has been
>> >> discovered in
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> > South Platte River.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> To go with the raw sewage from the homeless living along it,
>> >> >> junkie's
>> >> >> >> >> needles, and various other bacteria that have always been in
>> >> it.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > Very little coverage from the media was published
>> >> >> >> >> > at the time of the discovery,
>>
>> >> >> >> >> No, that's a complete lie. Reuters had it out by month's  
>> end.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > but, until recently, it has been
>> >> >> >> >> > confirmed that gas-like sludge has been found on the  
>> edges of
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> > river. It is unknown how long this leak has been present  
>> in
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> water.
>> >> >> >> >> > This water is a major source for drinking water,  
>> wild-habitat
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> > agricultural uses for the Midwest, but the water is now
>> >> >> >> contaminated
>> >> >> >> >> > and is non-usable for everyone and everything.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> No it isn't. It's a localized, small problem.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > **Suncor Energy is the oldest tar sands producers, up to  
>> 90%
>> >> of
>> >> >> its
>> >> >> >> >> > production comprised of tar sands bitumen. The company  
>> uses
>> >> its
>> >> >> >> >> > Colorado refinery to process some of the heavy tar sands
>> >> coming
>> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> >> > the Express and Platte pipelines.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> So then Keystone XL wouldn't be necessary to get the stuff
>> >> here at
>> >> >> >> all
>> >> >> >> >> would it?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> I mean I hate for you libs to have to look at a map and  
>> learn
>> >> >> >> something
>> >> >> >> >> but here goes:
>>
>> >> >> >> >>http://www.transcanada.com/keystone_pipeline_map.html
>>
>> >> >> >> >> The closest XL gets to Denver is Steele City, Kansas!
>>
>> >> >> >> >> And with or without XL Suncor WILL be processing oil, of  
>> some
>> >> type
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >>  from some origin.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> I mean that is their business, right?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Selling gasoline?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > The refinery, itself, specializes in production of  
>> synthetic
>> >> >> crude
>> >> >> >> >> > from the Athabasca oil sands located in Alberta, Canada,  
>> and
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> > Keystone XL pipeline, if approved, will obtain its own oil
>> >> from
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> > Athabasca oil sands in Alberta, as well, which is located  
>> on
>> >> >> Cree
>> >> >> >> >> > First Nation land.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Yeah, so?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Has it like got cooties or something?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Let me guess, you prefer the OPEC sludge from the raghead  
>> IED
>> >> >> lands?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > TransCanada proposed the pipeline back in 2005, and
>> >> >> >> >> > they are based in Calgary, Alberta, as well as Suncor  
>> Energy.
>> >> >> So,
>> >> >> >> >> > there is a connection from Suncor to the Keystone XL  
>> pipeline
>> >> >> and,
>> >> >> >> >> > now, AIM and environmental activist groups are raising
>> >> >> awareness in
>> >> >> >> >> > Denver!
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Oh no, let me guess....as Denver's _only_ refinery they're
>> >> buying
>> >> >> oil
>> >> >> >> >> coming from Canada?!?!?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Scandalous I say!
>>
>> >> >> >> >> We should put them onto that good Venezuelan shit.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > Although the Keystone XL is up in Canada, that doesn’t
>> >> >> >> >> > necessarily mean that, here in Denver, we aren’t affected  
>> by
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> > devastating effects of the oil sands, especially, with the
>> >> oil
>> >> >> leak
>> >> >> >> >> > that occurred in Commerce City.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> That refinery was known for problems back when Conoco owned  
>> it.
>> >> >> It's
>> >> >> >> had
>> >> >> >> >> fires, explosions, etc.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> I mean that's what happens when you process flammable stuff,
>> >> shit
>> >> >> >> >> happens
>> >> >> >> >> now and then.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> At least it didn't pollute the air and blacken the skyline  
>> like
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> >> >> Conoco owned the joint.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > This leak has polluted the Sand Creek
>> >> >> >> >> > and the South Platte River with gas-like sludge for an
>> >> unknown
>> >> >> >> period
>> >> >> >> >> > of time, and Suncor needs to be held accountable for
>> >> polluting
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> > air, water and ecosystems that are being affected  
>> directly by
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> > leak.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Well why don't you see if maybe they are going to or already
>> >> have
>> >> >> >> >> handled
>> >> >> >> >> this before you go all chicken little on us, eh?
>>
>> >>  
>> >>http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/30/us-suncor-leak-colorado-idU...
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:07pm EST
>>
>> >> >> >> >> (Reuters) - Suncor Energy said on Wednesday it has  
>> contained a
>> >> >> leak
>> >> >> >> near
>> >> >> >> >> its Commerce City refinery in Colorado that was running into
>> >> Sand
>> >> >> >> Creek
>> >> >> >> >> by
>> >> >> >> >> the South Platte River.
>> >> >> >> >> The Canadian energy firm said it had not yet identified the
>> >> >> source of
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> leak, and it did not identify the substance leaking, but  
>> said
>> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> believed
>> >> >> >> >> it came from their 93,000 barrel-per-day plant.
>> >> >> >> >> "Our team installed booms in the creek to contain the  
>> product.
>> >> >> That
>> >> >> >> was
>> >> >> >> >> done yesterday," said Sneh Seetal, a Suncor spokeswoman in
>> >> >> Calgary.
>> >> >> >> >> "Our focus is on cleanup at this point. We do not see more
>> >> product
>> >> >> >> >> leaking."
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > This is just a prime example of what will inevitably  
>> happen
>> >> if
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> > Keystone XL is approved.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Yes, we will from time to time have refinery leaks or  
>> pipeline
>> >> >> >> breaks,
>> >> >> >> >> that shit does happen.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Are you moving over to horse and buggy any time soon?
>>
>> >> >> >> > Oh please, the US is exporting fuel right now:
>>
>> >> >> >> "Right now"?
>>
>> >> >> >> We've been exporting oil since we first began whaling.
>>
>> >> >> >> You're an hysterical propaganda ninny.
>>
>> >>  
>> >http://enews.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20111230/d862979e-6557-4c...
>>
>> >> >> >> > headline:
>>
>> >> >> >> > In a first, gas and other fuels are top US export
>> >> >> >> ---
>> >> >> >> > Gasoline supplies are being exported to the highest bidder,  
>> says
>> >> >> Tom
>> >> >> >> > Kloza, chief oil analyst at Oil Price Information Service.
>> >> "It's a
>> >> >> >> > world market," he says. .... (cont)
>>
>> >> >> >> Now how many barrels do you wish to IMPORT from a region that  
>> is
>> >> >> >> unstable
>> >> >> >> politically and under CARTEL pricing control?
>>
>> >> >> >> No, that's not Canada...or Mexico...or Brazil...
>>
>> >> >> >> Rent a brain, lib-bot.
>>
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>>
>> >> >> > No our fuel is being exported to the highest bidder.  Thus  
>> saying
>> >> >> > higher prices for the US!
>>
>> >> >> That is how profits are made, people bid on things and buy them  
>> and
>> >> the
>> >> >> highest bid wins.
>>
>> >> >> Ever hear of Ebay?
>>
>> >> >> You can even make some profits for yourself there.
>>
>> >> >> Now what does exports of US oil have to do with exports of  
>> Canadian
>> >> oil
>> >> >> delivered to US refineries by the proposed XL pipeline?
>>
>> >> > No fuel for the USA!
>>
>> >> Incorrect.
>>
>> >> We are already using over 90% of what Canada exports.
>>
>> >> Furthermore your press release decries any use of tar sand oil.
>>
>> >> It is accepted that you are willing to toss all the jobs that the XL
>> >> pipeline would create. And that in a down economy. That's pitiful.
>>
>> > Nope, working to fix the infrastructure in the US would provide a lot
>> > of jobs!
>>
>> Pipelines ARE "infrastructure in the US". Stop lying.
>>
>
> Not a new pipeling to export fuel to other countries!

Do you even know what infrastructure is?

A pipeline, regardless of its purpose is by definition  "infrastructure".

And this one would indeed be mostly located " in the US".

The people employed building it would be Americans.

The companies operating the refineries are mostly American owned and all  
of them employ Americans.

Basic stuff, simple stuff.

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