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Re: The assault on the teaching of evolution:

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From: Rich Travsky
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 06:07
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"Harold E. Robbins" wrote:
> 
> Even DNA is far more complex a concept than can be accounted for by any
> lack of intelligent design.

Then so are snowflakes.

 http://www.nature.com/news/2004/041229/full/041229-8.html
 Published online: 31 December 2004
 
 A mathematician has been making indoor snowflakes that are surprisingly
 similar to nature's fractal beauties.

 The snowflakes are simulations produced by Cliff Reiter, of Lafayette
 College in Easton, Pennsylvania, and have the classic 'dendrite'
 snowflake form, in which six central stems divide and taper to
 increasingly fine fronds.

 There are a handful of mathematical models of snowflake growth, says
 Reiter, but most involve fiendishly complicated differential equations.
 He felt there had to be a simpler way of describing them. "I hadn't seen
 any models that were aesthetically pleasing," he says.

 So Reiter tried to make snowflakes using mathematical processes called
 cellular automata. These are sets of simple rules that can generate
 extremely complex forms when applied to a system over and over again.
 Unlike a differential equation, which tries to describe the whole
 snowflake, a cellular automaton just looks at a tiny part of the whole
 structure, and describes it in relation to areas that have already been
 built. 
 ...
 Reiter is unsure whether his model helps to explain how real snowflakes
 grow, but is trying to invent new cellular automata that can generate
 three-dimensional snowflakes.
 ...

How about that. Snowflakes are complex enough that we have trouble modeling
them. And yet, there are quadrillons of them...all happening naturally
with no "designer" around...


> Rich Travsky wrote:
> > "Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:gNmdnUecM6WF5lDcRVn-pw@comcast.com...
> >
> >>"torresD" <torresd30@hotmail.com> wrote
> >>
> >>>Now Christian fundamentalists
> >>>are hawking a new theory,
> >>>intelligent design,
> >>>which posits a God-like
> >>>figure overseeing evolution.
> >>
> >>Far more rational than some idea of a series of accidents that yield this
> >>complex ordered system.
> >
> >
> > Complex...hmmm.
> >
> >  http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20040920/spacesugar.html
> >  9/23/04
> >
> >  An eight-atom sugar called glycolaldehyde has been found residing at
> >  eight degrees above absolute zero in the Sagittarius B2 dust cloud,
> >  some 26,000 light-years from Earth.
> >
> >  The sugar is just a few steps from ribose, an essential ingredient of DNA.
> >  ...
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