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In article <6saf77.04r.ln@schizoid.village.org>,
   drew@village.org (Drew Eckhardt) wrote:
>In article <369a70fe.0@news.mho.net>, Melissa <Melissa9Z@Zmho.net> wrote:
>>Let's face it, if someone decides to be a danger to themselves, no law is 
>>gonna make any difference, least of all concealed carry.
>
>That's not true.  Canada's increasingly stringent restrictions on guns
>have reduced suicides by firearms.  Now, they use other mechanisms 
>instead which are less likely to stain the carpets and rack up 
>landlord cleaning bills.

<sigh> And if we kept everyone chained up 24 hrs a day, almost no one would be 
able to suicide, but a lot more people might want to.

>>Let's get a few hundred Pro-Second Amendment folks together and go invade 
>>Dottie Wham's office and demand that she stay out of the way! Sort of a 60's 
>>style demonstration. :) I love it!
>
>And what difference would it make?  Politicians have been warned that
>anti-gun legislation will get them and their party booted out of 
>office.  In an amazing display of solidarity, gun owners carried 
>through on those promises and gave the Republicans control of 
>US House and Senate.  It didn't make a difference to those that 
>remained.

I'm just really frustrated by our legislative process here in Colorado, with 
this committee thing. One jerk ( Republican or Democrat, depending on the case 
) can totally subvert the will of the people, by trashing something up in 
committee. We saw it years ago with Bledsoe on anti-smoking bills. Lately 
it's been with the CCW bills. This really should be changed.

>>>  Really, Melissa, you need to pull your nose out of that Soldier of
>>>Fortune magazine and read http://civilliberty.miningco.com/ once in
>>>a while. Not all the news is bad.
>>
>>But come on. I think if the proof is there, that all our gun control and 
>>banning laws are patterned after Adolf's, don't you think this should be 
>>looked into and that they should be repealed?
>
>Contrary to popular belief, Hitler actually _relaxed_ the gun control laws 
>instated by the Weimar republic.  Five years after his election in 1933, he 
>reformed German gun laws, lowering the minimum age for legal ownership from 
>20 to 18 years, dropped restrictions on the ammount of ammunition and number 
>of guns that one person could own, and adding no new restrictions.
>
>Until we occupied Germany and forced them to surrender their guns,
>protestant Germans enjoyed guns rights comparable to those we do now.

This isn't exactly the story being told at the JPFO site.
<http://www.jpfo.org/GCA_68.htm>

>There are some interesting connections between Senator Thomas Dodd who served 
>at the Nuremburg trials, his staff translating German firearms law as it 
>existed in Nazi germany, and remarkably similar passages showing up 
>in GCA 1968.  As things are now, alluding to this trivia merely re-inforces 
>the brain washed masses who believe that gun owners are nuts "They equate 
>the murder of 12,000,000 people with firearms laws, and must be crazy"

There you go with the nuts thing again. Anyone who won't accept authoritarian 
rule must be nuts. It's a really sad state of affairs when people who 
strongly support the Bill of Rights have to be propagandized as "nuts" for it.

>>An email friend was telling me that in UK, they need to get permits to 
>>exercise free speech. Are we headed for that too? 
>
>Sounds good to me.  

Of course it would, to a would-be tyrant.

>I'd also like to see the governments integrate
>religion (the first ammendment says that Congress shall make no law 
>respecting an establishment of religion.  It says nothing about state
>governments, or using religion as a basis for laws), and Tobacco and 
>alcohol on the controlled substances lists (with civil seizure laws 
>applied with the same vigor they are for other drugs).  

You're really showing your true colors now. Is it red? Or does the swastika go 
better with that outfit?

>As it stands now, 
>we have too many single-issue voters who believe that either the Democrats 
>(abortion rights, drug decriminalization) or Republicans (gun rights) are 
>less likely to affect them personally.  With enough restrictions coming 
>from both sides, people will wake up to reality.

And you're all for the restrictions apparently.


And that's probably JUST my opinion. I could be wrong. :)

- Melissa

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