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In article <35CA61C1.4F090805@ibm.net>, caTwArXigh@ibm.net says...
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> Here's a list of some of the wonders of majority rule:
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Well - propose something better!  I said it was the best of a bad lot.  
Your alternative?  Anarchy?  Usually the Anarchists are the first ones 
shot during an anarchy.

> And how are individual rights advanced by flogging your 
> neighbors for the frivolous purpose of providing corporate
> welfare for building the Bowlen Bowl?

In the event that the law passes - they (for the most part) elected to 
pay the tax, rather than flogging themselves.  Democracy rears its ugly 
head again.  (and I notice you still had no answer for that question). 
You misdirected your answer - off the point.

> Sounds like you pay for a lot for things you don't use.  What a 
> silly system.  Why not have a system where you pay porportional 
> to how much you use.  I think we're close to that mark with
> roads where the more you dive the more you pay in gasoline tax.
> There probably needs to be some tweaking though so that truckers 
> pay for the damage they do to roads.

Actully - Id rather do all taxation thru consumption taxes (income taxes 
are bullshit, they are a dis-incentive to investments and savings, and 
they miss a lot of the "underground" economy - even drug dealers have to 
buy things now and then)

> > But the laws are the laws - and if you elect to live in an
> > area, you also abide by its law.  Dont like it?  Then move out of the
> > stadium district - or work to eliminate the laws you think are unjust and
> > improper.  My opinion - its a small enough chunk compared to others - and
> > the loss of the team would hurt more than the losses incurred keeping the
> > team.

> There's the old tired love it or leave it argument throwing up a 
> smoke screen to hide injustice.  I seam to recall this same tactic
> was used to defend the unjust Korean and Vietnam wars.  Sorry Andy,
> your smoke screen is transparent.

Im sorry you dont have the vision to see things the way they are - I 
didn't like Virginia's tax system, so I moved to Colorado (its much more 
bearable here - believe me).  Its not "love it or leave it" - I have no 
illusions about that.  It is "Its a Democracy, you have no choice other 
than going along or getting out as long as it doesn't violate the 
Constitution - the majority hold the police powers to force you to pay".  
Raw power - nothing at all about love.  Dont like it?  Move to a cabin in 
Montana Mr. Kacsinski - or learn to live with it.

> I am trying to stop an unjust law to provide corporate welfare for
> the Bowlen Bowl.

And I applaud you for it.  Likely a losing battle though.

> $400 million may be chump change to you, but to me that's a boat
> load of money.

Its not that much to *me* (and most other folks in the middle and upper 
class) - its about maybe at most a couple hundred dollars each year 
maximum.

> That's enough money to build 26 schools at $15
> million each.   It's enough money to buy 16,000 acres of
> open space at $25,000/acare.  It's enough to buy 4,000 homes for
> homeless people at $100,000/each.

As if any of that would ever happen - come back to the real world.  The 
majority rules, and it wants bread and circuses (and anyone who gets in 
the way be damned).  Deal with it - in whatever way you can.  Me - I just 
prepare for the day the system falls, and take advantage of what I can 
without hurting others directly (which is why I generally vote against 
ALL taxes).  I think we as individuals are much better at spending our 
money rather than government b-crats - but I dont live in that world, and 
I dont delude myself into thinking that I can in my lifetime.  If you 
find the Galts Gulch you seem to yearn for - then give me a call (Id dump 
it all to work as a bus-boy there).

> You are a cold hearted son of 
> a bitch for prioritizing the Bowlen Bowl ahead of these things
> for our scarce tax dollars.  

Ahh heres the payoff - nice resorting to namecalling.

See-ya...

PLONK.