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Article #169Re: Display of nudes
From: Curtis Roelle
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 19:15
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 19:15
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sullivan@cs.rose-hulman.edu (Fred Sullivan) writes:
>About a year ago, immediately after we installed a lab of color
>workstations, a number of students began displaying pictures of women in
>various stages of dress or undress. The computer science faculty discussed
>the situation (this is a departmental laboratory) and decided to follow, at
>least for the time being, the following policy:
>We do not dictate what students may or may not display on their computer
>screens. We do, however, feel free to exercise our own rights to free
>speech and tell students precisely what we think of their actions.
>........................................ Therefore I see no problem at
>all with calling a student in and telling him the following (I say him,
>because my institution does not currently admit women at the undergraduate
>level -- this will change in 2 years, and so far I have not felt the need
>to have a conversation of this type with a female graduate student or
>faculty member):
>1. Our department has no policy against display of the kind of material in
>question.
Or, "Nobody wants to take responsibility for making decisions around here."
>2. I am not going to tell him that he has to remove the pictures.
And, "I can't make decisions either."
>3. My personal opinion is that he is acting like a adolescent jerk.
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You'd rather get personal and start calling him names.
And show him who's boss.
>4. He should spend some time thinking about the effect the material being
>displayed might have on:
> parents of prospective students who are visiting the campus,
> female staff and faculty members who might feel that they are being
>sexually harassed.
But calling someone an adolescent jerk is not an overt form of harassment?
This is a good way to sever communication and foster resentment.
BTW, are you teacher or administrator?
>5. He should reflect on the fact that soon he will graduate and find
>himself working with, and quite possible for women, and that perhaps he
>should review his attitudes towards women, if for no other reason, than out
>of self interest.
Finally you're getting somewhere!
Now repeat, discarding steps 1 through 4.
>A little over a year ago, I had this conversation with 4 students, and I
>have not seen nudes displayed in our lab since that time.
Are you and they still on speaking terms?
>Now you can say that although I explicitly told the students they were under
>no compulsion, there was nevertheless coercion on my part. That is no doubt
>true. However, my (admittedly limited) experience indicates that students
>react much better to being told to grow up and begin to adopt a professional
>attitude than they do to being told to remove pictures of nudes.
Professionalism works both ways.
>--
>Fred Sullivan 6060 Wabash Avenue
>Computer Science Department Terre Haute, IN 47803
>Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology sullivan@cs.rose-hulman.edu
Curt Roelle
roelle@sigi.jhuapl.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!aplcen.apl.jhu.edu!uars_mag!roelle From: roelle@uars_mag.jhuapl.edu (Curtis Roelle) Subject: Re: Display of nudes Message-ID: <roelle.718658120@uars_mag> Sender: news@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Johns Hopkins University References: <SULLIVAN.92Oct9101410@liz.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: 9 Oct 92 19:15:20 GMT Lines: 71