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Article #53Re: A question of ethics
From: Roy S. Rapoport
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:58
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:58
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In article <9209917.8951@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> mikec@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Michael CIAVARELLA) writes: > 1) What are the legal implications (if any) > of the XX admin's actions? Not sure -- I'm not a lawyer, just a poor ol' student. I would say, though, that it seems like the XX Admin (hereinafter known as the ASS) seemed to have trespassed, and broken into YY's machine. > 2) If A logs in to YY from XX and uses his > program, does this give the XX admin the > right to act as he did? IMHO, there is *nothing* that would give the ASS the right to act as he did. He has no authority to act on YY's machine. Period. > 3) What would you do in the XX admin's place? I would mail YYAdmin and ask him to deal with it. > 4) What would you do in A's place? Raise a serious, serious stink. See if XX can be fired, or censured, or something. Make his life hell (legally, of course). It also depends on what kind of program it is. . . If it's *illegal*, then I may be quiet, but I think few programs are illegal to own, just to run. . . BTW, on our system, it is illegal to *run* password crackers, but not illegal to own them. . . > 5) What would you do in the YY admin's place? I would do as I would have done if I thought anyone else from XX was cracking on my machine. I wouldn't mail XX's sysadmin, because he's the culprit, so I would go to whomever is above him. . . XX's actions are, IMHO, no different than the actions of any cracker I've ever dealt with. He had no right to access YY, and broke an account somewhere else to get access to YY (and su'ing as root to A to get access to YY as A is a crack, regardless of whom it's done by). The ASShole should be burned at the stake, IMHO. . . -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roy S. Rapoport Open Computing Facility rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu Site Manager (sm@ocf) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!spool.mu.edu!agate!ocf.berkeley.edu!rsr From: rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy Subject: Re: A question of ethics Keywords: ethics cracking law Message-ID: <sclkaINN5nk@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: 13 Apr 92 18:58:18 GMT Article-I.D.: agate.sclkaINN5nk References: <9209917.8951@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: hailstorm.berkeley.edu