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First, could you please use carriage returns? The wrap-around makes it
difficult
to edit. Thanks.

In article <33032@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, shandon@cats.ucsc.edu (Timothy
Daniel Kolar) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr15.205702.29713@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
spm2d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU
|> (Steven P. Miale) writes:
|> 
|> |> If the police want to watch me, or the FBI wishes to tap my phone,
it
|> |> is my understanding that they have to suspect me of a crime
BEFORE
|> |> they start logging.
|> 
|> I believe that is true.  However, I believe it is also true that the
accounting logs kept by
 the phone company are considered valid evidence--even the logs that
were kept before a person
 becomes 
|> a suspect.

I disagree with this also. But that's another discussion.
Besides, I believe that the evidence the telephone company usually
presents
is taken when they suspect someone, get the proper forms or whatnot,
and monitor them.

|> I'm sure there must be a ruling somewhere about this kind of thing. 
Any legal folks out
 there know of precedents?

I'm not sure. Perhaps the EFF would know. (In fact, perhaps we should
also discuss
this in the EFF group.)

|> |> You seem to feel that it is fine whether or not you are being
accused;
|> |> I do not. The ability to monitor everyone does not mean that you
|> |> should; ...
|> 
|> I concur with both of these statements, although (obviously) I don't
feel that the second
 is applicable here.  I have no problems with logging all telnet
connections (logging, not
 recording).

Problem is, how can you insure both are not being done?
If you allow logging telnet connections, such that you'd check over them
only
if a crime had been committed, why not record, and have even more
evidence?
I don't feel that way. I know you don't feel that way, and I doubt many
people
reading this do.
But if one step is taken, the other will probably follow. Rights are
seldom given back.
I'd like to be an optimist and think that all everyone will only use
the
telnet logs for good. I trust the roots here. But not all people in
power are so trustworthy.



Steve

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