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In article <1991Jun20.050524.17458@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>, jarober@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (DE Robertson james an 740-9172) writes:
>In article <wcLyktu00j5uI1oolE@andrew.cmu.edu> jb3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jon Allen Boone) writes:
>>
>>jarober@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (DE Robertson james an 740-9172) writes:
>>> From what I have read, you are AMORAL. respassing and violating my right to
>>> privacy is not an alternate morality, it is the absence of one.
>>>Just because 
>>> you know HOW to take an action does not make it ok.

	Like I said, this is your set of morals... In my set, if you
are not harming other people, then there is nothing wrong... Yes, it
does involve fairly complicated thinking sometimes, in order to decide
whether or not it is actually harming someone, but in many cases it is
easy to see that there is very little harm being done with a possibly
very large amount of harm being averted...  I don't believe in
tresspassing as a general rule... But I would rush to a house if it
was on fire... Computers involve some slightly different thinking...

	As to the two examples I gave (walking around the office and
the badge/door locks)... I probably shold of given some better ones...
For one thing, here there aren't always machines available in your
opwn office, so you just wander until you find one that has an
unoccupied one... The offices are all open (the cubicle type) and
there are no doors...

	And I have dealt with the security here before... That example
still holds, though for security types in general I have no idea... 

>>
>>  While I agree that the poster was really naive, [...]
	
	I think I jsut gave a bad example, but there is a possibility
that I am naive... What does that mean, anyway? :-)	


>I said amoral since he felt it was ok to go sniffing
>around in other peoples property. Perhaps I flamed a bit too high, but I
>do wonder where the original poster draws lines. 
	
	I never stated that at all...  I don't know where you got
that...  I stated it was ok to walk into the office... But here they
aren't exactly closed off from prying eyes... I can see over the
walls... So being in teh office only changes my POV a little... But I
said I wouldn't go through the desks... Against company policy, and
what good am I going to be doing?  If I needed some serial number and
I knew the paper was on a co-worker's desk, I would have no qualms
about going and getting it... And when I need access to a program that
someone else has written, but tehy left locked, I will su to root and
get it... I don't go browsing through their News directory or anything


	I draw the lines in a very simple method... Greater Good,
Pleasure principle...  Read Mill for a more in depth explanation...

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