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kadie@ai.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) wrote:

>matts@lainet.com (Matt Silberstein) writes:

>[...]
>>They have decided that WWW pages should contain only academic
>>information. A reasonable request.  One BTW, I would not recommend.
>>The university own the resource, not the students. The computers and
>>the network are not free. The U wants to make some limits on how that
>>resource gets used. The question is what furthers the purpose of the
>>university, not what is best for individual students.
>[...]

>Student and faculty forums are critical to a university's mission.
>While censorship of such forums may further the purpose of individual
>university bureaucrats, they do not futher the purpose of the
>university.

IN your opinion, in mine they exist to provide advanced educational
information and training, so that the students can go off and lead
more productive and usefull lives, after all. What use is the opinion
of a first year chemistry student worth next to professor, on matters
of chemistry, (On any other matter, why are they discussing on my time
and tax dollors, go to bar on your own dollors)

>I don't have any good Austrialian statements on student academic freedom,
>but here are some excepts from the main U.S. statement:

>===Excerps ftp://ftp.eff.org/pub/academic/student.freedoms.aaup ======
>[...]
>Joint Statement on Rights and Freedoms of Students

>[...]
>                             Preamble

>  Academic institutions exist for the transmission of knowledge,

True

>the pursuit of truth, 

Meaningless blather, (Pilate to Jesus :And what is truth, Is my truth
the same as yours? Answer 2000 years later "No")

>the development of students,
Again meaningless blather. Development in what sense,  do they get
bigger muscles? Can they reason better? NO they reason about the same,
they just use bigger vocabularies to say stupid things.

> and the general well-being of society. 
If that's true, you can shut down now, I've yet to meet a single
Liberal Arts Major with the reasoning power of a snail. And judging by
all the social therorizing being put to use in our society and the
amount of destruction it creates to our families and our institutions
you can keep it.!

>Free inquiry and free expression are
>indispensable to the attainment of these goals. As members of the
>academic community, students should be encouraged to develop the
>capacity for critical judgment and to engage in a sustained and
>independent search for truth.

Which is why we fed them the Politically correct skreed while
condemming the conservative right in ad nauseun. 

>========
>[About the Joint Statement]

>  In June, 1967, a joint committee, comprised of representatives from
>the American Association of University Professors, U. S. National
>Student Association, Association of American Colleges, National
>Association of Student Personnel Administrators, and National
>Association of Woman Deans and Counselors, met in Washington, D.C.,
>and drafted the Joint Statement on Rights and Freedoms of Students
>published below.

>  Since its formulation, the Joint Statement has been endorsed by each
>of its five national sponsors, as well as by a number of other
>professional bodies. The Association's Council approved the Statement
>in October, 1967, and the Fifty-fourth Annual Meeting endorsed it as
>Association policy.

Yeh all the leaches who live at the public espense and nobody that's
paying the bills.

Nothing personel folks, but I wish the Ivory tower types would spend
more time passing on information and techniques and less time
examining philosophy.

Larry "the Wildman" Wild

MY opinions are mine do you hear me! MINE! MINE! MINE!
My employers have none worth notice