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8 total messages Started by Arthur T. Murray Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:48
Knowledge Base Or Bust
#23
Author: Arthur T. Murray
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:48
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KNOWLEDGE BASE OR BUST

Today after a hiatus of two and a half months we resume coding
http://mind.sourceforge.net/index.html the AI Mind in JavaScript.
First we change the "description" meta-tag to read:  "Please find
room for this AI as mind.html on your own website so that others
may obtain it."  The idea is to let the AI spread memetically
across the Web.

Our next goal is to obtain a working knowledge base (KB).  That
goal is immensely worthwhile because, once our KB works reliably,
it will be like the http://www.cyc.com Cyc project, and we will
be able to pack the KB full of all kinds of mundane or expert
knowledge.

The source code left over from 29sep2001 still gives a transcript
with faulty KB reasoning:

Human:  cats eat fish
Robot:  CATS EAT FISH
        32   28  10

Human:  fish eat bugs
Robot:  FISH EAT BUGS
        20   41  10

Human:  bugs eat dirt
Robot:  BUGS EAT DIRT
        20   41  10

Human:  cats eat
Robot:  CATS EAT BUGS
        10   41  10

The AI gives the wrong answer in the fourth exchange because the
concept of "bugs" has retained too high an activation.

I ran the above four exchanges through only in Transcript mode so
that I could inspect the logic of the reasoning of the AI. Then I
went back and used the same inputs in Troubleshoot mode.  I
obtained the same results, but this time each line of output had
the concept-activation numbers interspersed among the English
words of the output.  I look at those three-number sets and I
think, gee, maybe I should have written the numbers down beneath
each of the four lines of output that I transcribed above.  Then
I realize that I can run the same inputs all over again and write
down the numbers in red.  Here goes.  See above for the results.

Well, what do you know?  The output activation-levels were the
same (20, 41, 10) in the middle two exchanges but different in
the first (32, 28, 10) and in the fourth (10, 41, 10), where I
entered only a partial sentence of "cats eat" in order to see
what the AI knew about cats.

Now, I myself as the programmer and theoretician Arthur T. Murray
realize how complex the deep mental processing is behind these AI
Mind outputs, but I do not immediately realize exactly what to do
in order to correct the problems and to perfect the knowledge
base (KB).  I only know some general methods of tracking down and
analysing exactly what is happening in the artificial mind at
each stage in the process of thinking.  The work is daunting, and
I think, am I up to this?  Yes, I have to be, because nobody else
is going to understand the work that has gone before or is going
to have faith in the future of this project.  When I finally have
a knowledge base that works reliably, then people will make the
effort to understand the AI and to develop it further.
Re: Knowledge Base Or Bust
#11
Author: ..
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:43
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The parent child relationship is not properly biased 
against the positional token/structure.

To actually make this thought work would require an input
feedback loop of some sort so as to derive weights
from actual data over time in a fashion that builds
it's own patterns , which then is mated.




"Arthur T. Murray" wrote:
> 
> KNOWLEDGE BASE OR BUST
> 
> Today after a hiatus of two and a half months we resume coding
> http://mind.sourceforge.net/index.html the AI Mind in JavaScript.
> First we change the "description" meta-tag to read:  "Please find
> room for this AI as mind.html on your own website so that others
> may obtain it."  The idea is to let the AI spread memetically
> across the Web.
> 
> Our next goal is to obtain a working knowledge base (KB).  That
> goal is immensely worthwhile because, once our KB works reliably,
> it will be like the http://www.cyc.com Cyc project, and we will
> be able to pack the KB full of all kinds of mundane or expert
> knowledge.
> 
> The source code left over from 29sep2001 still gives a transcript
> with faulty KB reasoning:
> 
> Human:  cats eat fish
> Robot:  CATS EAT FISH
>         32   28  10
> 
> Human:  fish eat bugs
> Robot:  FISH EAT BUGS
>         20   41  10
> 
> Human:  bugs eat dirt
> Robot:  BUGS EAT DIRT
>         20   41  10
> 
> Human:  cats eat
> Robot:  CATS EAT BUGS
>         10   41  10
> 
> The AI gives the wrong answer in the fourth exchange because the
> concept of "bugs" has retained too high an activation.
> 
> I ran the above four exchanges through only in Transcript mode so
> that I could inspect the logic of the reasoning of the AI. Then I
> went back and used the same inputs in Troubleshoot mode.  I
> obtained the same results, but this time each line of output had
> the concept-activation numbers interspersed among the English
> words of the output.  I look at those three-number sets and I
> think, gee, maybe I should have written the numbers down beneath
> each of the four lines of output that I transcribed above.  Then
> I realize that I can run the same inputs all over again and write
> down the numbers in red.  Here goes.  See above for the results.
> 
> Well, what do you know?  The output activation-levels were the
> same (20, 41, 10) in the middle two exchanges but different in
> the first (32, 28, 10) and in the fourth (10, 41, 10), where I
> entered only a partial sentence of "cats eat" in order to see
> what the AI knew about cats.
> 
> Now, I myself as the programmer and theoretician Arthur T. Murray
> realize how complex the deep mental processing is behind these AI
> Mind outputs, but I do not immediately realize exactly what to do
> in order to correct the problems and to perfect the knowledge
> base (KB).  I only know some general methods of tracking down and
> analysing exactly what is happening in the artificial mind at
> each stage in the process of thinking.  The work is daunting, and
> I think, am I up to this?  Yes, I have to be, because nobody else
> is going to understand the work that has gone before or is going
> to have faith in the future of this project.  When I finally have
> a knowledge base that works reliably, then people will make the
> effort to understand the AI and to develop it further.

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Cats like fish. NO! :-) was Re: Knowledge Base Or Bust
#13
Author: Albert van der Horst
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:20
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In article <3c1a73be@news.victoria.tc.ca>,
Arthur T. Murray <uj797@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:
>KNOWLEDGE BASE OR BUST
>
>Today after a hiatus of two and a half months we resume coding
>http://mind.sourceforge.net/index.html the AI Mind in JavaScript.
>First we change the "description" meta-tag to read:  "Please find
>room for this AI as mind.html on your own website so that others
>may obtain it."  The idea is to let the AI spread memetically
>across the Web.
>
>Our next goal is to obtain a working knowledge base (KB).  That
>goal is immensely worthwhile because, once our KB works reliably,
>it will be like the http://www.cyc.com Cyc project, and we will
>be able to pack the KB full of all kinds of mundane or expert
>knowledge.

>The source code left over from 29sep2001 still gives a transcript
>with faulty KB reasoning:
>
>Human:  cats eat fish
>Robot:  CATS EAT FISH
>        32   28  10

I think this is a tremendous improvement over the
"cats like fish" dialogues of five years ago.
Actually I had a very acid comment ready, to be
launched the next time the subject comes up, but you
never gave me that chance.

This looks like PROGRESS! Keep on the good work!

> <Very lucid 1) explanation skipped>

De groeten
Albert
==
1) As far as AM goes.
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To suffer is the prerogative of the strong. The weak -- perish.
albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl     http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst
Re: Knowledge Base Or Bust
#12
Author: Jos v.d. Ven
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:24
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"Arthur T. Murray" <uj797@victoria.tc.ca> schreef in bericht
news:3c1a73be@news.victoria.tc.ca...
> KNOWLEDGE BASE OR BUST
>
> Today after a hiatus of two and a half months we resume coding
> http://mind.sourceforge.net/index.html the AI Mind in JavaScript.

Will mind.f for Win32Forth also be changed ?

Jos
Re: Knowledge Base Or Bust
#14
Author: Owen Nieuwenhuyse
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:39
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Arthur T. Murray <uj797@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
news:3c1a73be@news.victoria.tc.ca...
> KNOWLEDGE BASE OR BUST
>
> Today after a hiatus of two and a half months we resume coding
> http://mind.sourceforge.net/index.html the AI Mind in JavaScript.
> First we change the "description" meta-tag to read:  "Please find
> room for this AI as mind.html on your own website so that others
> may obtain it."  The idea is to let the AI spread memetically
> across the Web.
>
> Our next goal is to obtain a working knowledge base (KB).  That
> goal is immensely worthwhile because, once our KB works reliably,
> it will be like the http://www.cyc.com Cyc project, and we will
> be able to pack the KB full of all kinds of mundane or expert
> knowledge.
>
> The source code left over from 29sep2001 still gives a transcript
> with faulty KB reasoning:
>
> Human:  cats eat fish
> Robot:  CATS EAT FISH
>         32   28  10
>
> Human:  fish eat bugs
> Robot:  FISH EAT BUGS
>         20   41  10
>
> Human:  bugs eat dirt
> Robot:  BUGS EAT DIRT
>         20   41  10
>
> Human:  cats eat
> Robot:  CATS EAT BUGS
>         10   41  10
>
> The AI gives the wrong answer in the fourth exchange because the
> concept of "bugs" has retained too high an activation.
>
> I ran the above four exchanges through only in Transcript mode so
> that I could inspect the logic of the reasoning of the AI. Then I
> went back and used the same inputs in Troubleshoot mode.  I
> obtained the same results, but this time each line of output had
> the concept-activation numbers interspersed among the English
> words of the output.  I look at those three-number sets and I
> think, gee, maybe I should have written the numbers down beneath
> each of the four lines of output that I transcribed above.  Then
> I realize that I can run the same inputs all over again and write
> down the numbers in red.  Here goes.  See above for the results.
>
> Well, what do you know?  The output activation-levels were the
> same (20, 41, 10) in the middle two exchanges but different in
> the first (32, 28, 10) and in the fourth (10, 41, 10), where I
ON:
What do you use these "activation levels" for?
Do you have a simple explanation of how they relate to axiom processing?
Do you have a detailed Q/A dialog structure?
Re: Cats like fish. NO! :-) was Re: Knowledge Base Or Bust
#15
Author: GOGAR
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:19
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waarom hebben de meeste hier een nederlandse naam?
Re: Knowledge Base Or Bust
#16
Author: Michael L.Gassanenko
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:04
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Would you write it so as it could be executed with Netscape or Opera?

"Arthur T. Murray" wrote:
> 
> KNOWLEDGE BASE OR BUST
> 
> Today after a hiatus of two and a half months we resume coding
> http://mind.sourceforge.net/index.html the AI Mind in JavaScript.
[...]
Re: Cats like fish. NO! :-) was Re: Knowledge Base Or Bust
#22
Author: D De Villiers
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:41
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GOGAR,

Afrikaans:
My regte naam is Douw, ek praat Afrikaans (taal nader aan Nederlands).
Lennie is net my noennaam.

English:
My real name is Douw, I speak Afrikaans (language near Nederlands). Lennie
is just my nickname.

Your not the only one ! :-)

> waarom hebben de meeste hier een nederlandse naam?

Regards,

Lennie De Villiers

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