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Article #8664Re: Can Machines Think?
From: Fred Gilham
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1990 18:52
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1990 18:52
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Brian Yoder writes:
===============
Brain containing Paper containing Disk containing
Symbols =====>Symbols ====>Symbols ===+
|
Memory containing
translated symbols
(Object Code)
|
Brain Containing Screen containing Computations |
Symbols <=====Symbols <====Express Symbols==+
===============
I reply:
Brain containing Paper containing Disk containing
Symbols =====>marks ====> magnetic domains==+
|
Memory containing
electric charges
|
Brain Containing Screen containing Computations |
Symbols <=====Light patterns <====(transformation==+
from physical states
to other physical
states)
Using a debugger doesn't really change this. It is only when the
light patterns get translated into symbols in our heads that the
symbols exist. We use physical states to represent symbols. When you
use a debugger, you impose a transformation from physical states of
the computer's memory to other physical states (light patterns) on the
screen or whatever. These light patterns have no intrinsic meaning,
only that we impose on them. If you assert otherwise, I don't see how
you can escape the conclusion that the physical patterns have meaning
for everyone, since they themselves embody meaning. But this cannot
be true. For example, when I read some mathematical text, I may see
some fancy squiggle. My first task is to find out what the author
means by this fancy squiggle. If the meaning were implicit in the
fancy squiggle, I wouldn't have this problem.
-Fred Gilham gilham@csl.sri.com
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