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Article #8688Re: more Chinese Room
From: Michael Ellis
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1990 22:06
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1990 22:06
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> T. William Wells
>..there is another, more serious, flaw in his [Searle's] argument.
>Suppose that the assignment of meaning is a process rather than a
>static relationship. Were that so, the Chinese room would be
>irrelevant, since it only corresponds to a particular process.
This is hard to make sense of. In what way do either Searle or
"Strong AI" imply that meaning-assignment is any of a {static
relationship, process, particular process}? Are you saying that
Searle thinks meaning assignment is a static relationship? Or are
you saying that Strong AI makes that claim? Forgive me if I seem
dense, but I can't quite tell what you're getting at.
>Hence his assertion that he has demonstrated that strong AI is
>false is simply false.
Perhaps you could clarify this criticism.
>Just to add a little "balance", I don't find the arguments on the
>other side particularly compelling, either. And, in fact, their
>arguments fall to the same point: intelligence is very definitely
>*not* an I/O mapping. It is a process.
Aren't instantiations of programs that map transducer inputs to
effector outputs processes? Or do you have some special
definition of "process" in mind?
>My own view is that, until we have a reasonable idea of how
>consciousness operates, arguing about whether computers can be
>conscious is about as anachronistic as arguing about the number of
>angels that can dance on the head of a pin.
If somebody said that minds are just numbers or laboratory tables
or planetary orbits, don't you think we'd have good reason to deny
their claim?
-michael
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