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Searle again

#8710
From: Ronald BODKIN
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1990 02:00
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(More on the Chinese Room)
	One thing I'm curious about is why everyone ignores the book
with the instructions in it when it comes to understanding.  If I have
a computer that "understands" Chinese, with a cpu and a memory and I
sever the two there is no way that either would understand.  Likewise,
Searle provides the processor and the book provides the memory.  The
system understands, and if it seems weird to have understanding disembodied
in a system like this, then its also weird to having processing severed.
If Searle could MEMORIZE these rules, it probably still wouldn't be
enough, because he is used to understanding in a very different manner of
operation (i.e. its hard to make a plant grow like a frog does, but the
both of them grow) -- and moreover his understanding of Chinese is
entirely isolated from the rcontext of his usual knowledge,
so it doesn't seem like understanding at all to a more advanced creature
(then again, compared to a university math student, one can argue
convincingly that a grade 2 student learning multiplication doesn't
"understand" multiplication and more importantly IF the math
student at university had that little understanding he wouldn't really
consider himself to understand at all).  So in some sense, the claim
that Searle doesn't understand is partly a manifestation of our OWN
inability to imagine a person operating like a computer and understanding.
	As for the point about computers which fake understanding so
well that they pass a Turing Test, my question is why does it even
matter if they don't "understand" but they can respond appropriately
in every case.  Or how about a computer that is so intelligent it ALWAYS
wins (i.e. fools the examiner) -- even if he tries to use "reverse-
psychology" on it?  Such a machine might start talking about us only
simulating computers but I'm straying from my point.  And essentially,
that is to say that if aa book had the instructions for a process which
enabled  people to act intelligently enough to pass/win a turing
test and it could also give a prescription for how to save a man's
life which wasn't otherwise available, I'd be willing to bet that people
would be happy to execute that process and that the process (or at
least many processes complex enough to be interesting) cannot be
executed correctly without an understanding.
			Ron
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From: utility@quiche.cs.mcgill.ca (Ronald BODKIN)
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Subject: Searle again
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Date: 11 Jan 90 02:00:41 GMT
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
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