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Article #9342Re: Announcement: The Temporal Neuron Revolution
From: Louis Savain
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:00
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:00
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In article <875446625snz@longley.demon.co.uk>, David@longley.demon.co.uk (David Longley) wrote: >[...] >Elsewhere I have asked (rhetorically) whether it really is AI to >build and implement models of classical conditioning as Rescorla >and Wagner did the late 60s and early 70s (and which Sutton and >Barto contributed to later in the 80s). There is, in my view a >considerable difference between AI (which may cash out to be >science and technology in general) and experimental psychology >and the neurobiology of learning. Those interested should look at >Fragjn97.pdf at the www below. It seems that current research in AI is mostly involved with finding new and clever programming methods to do fancy things. In this light I agree that AI has little to do with natural intelligence. It is for this reason that the relatively new field of computational neuroscience was born, as a way for a group of researchers to distance themselves from formal logic, knowledge representation, symbol manipulation, frames, scripts, etc., and even ANNs. However, the original goal of AI (to create a synthetic intelligence whose behavior and learning prowess would be commensurate with that of humans) is still alive and kicking, IMO. That AI research went astray right from the start is no reason to abandon the early spirit. If anything, I think most of the current work in AI should be renamed to "complex logical solutions" or something similar, so as to retain the name AI for the work in computational neuroscience. But then again, it may not matter all that much. As an aside, my own limited understanding of this subject leads me to conclude that intelligence, even though highly distributed within constrained areas, is indeed fragmented. I see a family of cooperating subnetworks or agents, if you will, that nevertheless remain ignorant of each other's operation in significant ways. Even within the individual agents themselves, I see a large degree of fragmentation which would become apparent were there to be a local malfunction of some sort. This, I understand to be your own view of human intelligence. Furthermore I see it as a waste of time to entertain the notion that so-called cognitive mechanisms can be formalized to any significant or useful degree. This would be true even if we had a fully operational and advanced AI to tinker with. The dynamic and complex nature of an interconnected intelligence is simply too daunting. We will only be able to identify various areas as to their functions, by selectively disabling them and observe changes in the machine's behavior. Even then, a good many subtle phenomena would escape our notice. Trying to create an intelligence entirely from the top down, i.e., by formalizing human cognition or psychology is pure folly, IMO. Regards, Louis Savain, President, Marengo Media, Inc.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10d5b4,10bd0b81cba64349 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d5b4,public X-Google-Thread: 10d04f,10bd0b81cba64349 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d04f,public X-Google-Thread: 101fc6,10bd0b81cba64349 X-Google-Attributes: gid101fc6,public X-Google-Thread: f6b1a,10bd0b81cba64349 X-Google-Attributes: gidf6b1a,public X-Google-Thread: 10461e,10bd0b81cba64349 X-Google-Attributes: gid10461e,public X-Google-Thread: 10ca9b,10bd0b81cba64349 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ca9b,public From: savainl@earthlink.net (Louis Savain) Subject: Re: Announcement: The Temporal Neuron Revolution Date: 1997/09/30 Message-ID: <34307e12.30875895@news.earthlink.net> X-Deja-AN: 276624337 Distribution: inet References: <875446625snz@longley.demon.co.uk> Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.philosophy,comp.theory.self-org-sys,comp.theory.dynamic-sys,comp.ai.neural-nets,fr.comp.ia