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Article #540Re: Dell server benchmarks are a FRAUD
From: Captain Obvious
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 05:01
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 05:01
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The server came with one of those, and I spent a thousand bucks for the PCI version. The performance is pathetic. With battery backed write cache enabled, I could update my Arcserve database at 120 records per second. My Proliant DL-360 does the same database update at 2900 records per second. I'm inserting and deleting over two million records daily. The Dell would take hours upon hours, and become completely useless and slow for any other function. Dell's RAID cards are horrible, which means disk performance is horrible, which means they are flat out unsuitable as file or database servers. And regardless, Dell should be publicly humiliated for using third party gear in their servers for benchmarking and then refusing to sell the same equipment to customers. This is like Kia throwing a BMW M3 engine into their cars when they send them to Car and Driver. "robert" <PcTech@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message news:swLea.7995$8b.915394@news02.tsnz.net... > Got one of the early integrated ones (Adaptec PERC2SI/PERC2DI?) with no > battery? > I think they quickly realized that write cache was important and the later > ones have battery to allow write cache. > > "Captain Obvious" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message > news:jvwea.112011$JE5.63851@news2.central.cox.net... > > Am I the only one who has noticed that nearly every time Dell submits > their > > crappy servers for benchmarking to tpc.org or Microsoft for Exchange > testing > > that they have to use a third party RAID controller? > > > > That's right. They use Mylex every time. Can you buy Mylex in your Dell > > server? No. > > > > So the one critical component for all these database system tests is > > basically the RAID controller (everyone uses the same drives), and Dell > > tries to sneak by with third party gear. > > > > This is no surprise to me. I have a Dell server with a $1000 Perc RAID > > controller and 128MB of read/write cache. This is the slowest server I > have. > > It is substantially slower than my 7 year old Proliant 2500 servers with > > Smart2P controllers (and old drives on top of that). > > > > The fact is, Dell KNOWS their RAID controllers are garbage. They are SO > BAD > > that they risk their reputation by using third party products in > benchmarks. > > Let's face it... if their controller was only 10 percent slower, they > > wouldn't risk the humiliation. And they use RAID 0+1 on these tests... > that > > doesn't even require brains. If you really want to laugh yourself to > death, > > configure a Dell server with RAID 5. > > > > Dell is a cheap clone PC company. They don't know jack shit about servers, > > and the pathetic performance of their machines proves it. The only thing > > more pathetic is their server service. "Dude, I think you'll have to call > > Adaptec. We don't make the controller." > > > > For all you IT pros thinking your real smart by saving money on Dell, next > > time spend an extra 25% and you'll realize you now need to buy half as > many > > servers. Real IT pros, know Dell server equipment blows. > > > > > > > > > >
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