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Article #11235Re: Any new instructions in a i486?
From: Rick Kelly
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:17
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:17
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In article <PCG.92Dec19162224@decb.aber.ac.uk> pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) writes: >On 13 Dec 92 05:00:19 GMT, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) said: > >(somebody)> NeXTStep is said to not run on the Cyrix 486 chips because >(somebody)> "they are not real 486's". No one has come up with a >(somebody)> reliable reason _why_ NeXT doesn't think they are "real >(somebody)> 486's" or why NeXTStep won't run on them. > >The most probable reason seen so far is that there are some small >supervisor state differences between the Cyrix and the Intel part. If >so, I would venture that it is about enabling (and then flushing at the >right moment) the cache on the Cyrix. It is not necessary to do so, but >if one does not (and one has to do so on most old 386-like motherboards >on which the Cyrix part is usually mounted) then performance is little >better than with a 386. > >johnl> I don't have any real data, but I expect the problem is that the >johnl> Cyrix chip doesn't have a floating point unit. > >No, this cannot be the reason. As a rule the Cyrix 486DLC CPU chip is >sold with the Cyrix Fasmath (a 387) coprocessor, the combo being touted >quite reasonably as a 486DX equivalent. > >Moreover NeXTStep is said to run on the 486SX Intel chips, and those >don't have a corprocessor either. > >FUD, FUD. Ah Intel, Intel. :-) I don't see where this has anything to do with Intel. Cyrix decided that they could make some money by cloning a best selling CPU chip. Obviously, they have missed something. A curious individual with a 486DLC system, a 486DX system, two logic analyzers, and two NeXTStep bootdisks should be able to track down the problem. -- Rick Kelly rmk@rmkhome.UUCP unixland!rmkhome!rmk rmk@frog.UUCP
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!think.com!unixland!rmkhome!rmk From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Any new instructions in a i486? Message-ID: <9212200017.12@rmkhome.UUCP> Date: 20 Dec 92 05:17:09 GMT References: <WAYNE.92Dec11164422@backbone.uucp> <9212130000.AA05447@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> <PCG.92Dec19162224@decb.aber.ac.uk> Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) Organization: The Man With Ten Cats Lines: 38