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Re: PA-RISC ``semantic loading'' (according to DEC)

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From: K. J. Chang
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:47
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In article <1992Nov19.204612.10316@odin.diku.dk> thorinn@diku.dk (Lars Henrik Mathiesen) writes:
1st> I suspect
1st> that PA-RISC can get by with executing fewer instructions as well.
2nd> This is, in a nutshell, the CISC viewpoint.
3rd>Some might call it engineering. 
 
1st>                  I was clearly describing the HP-PA architecture as
1st>being placed firmly within the RISC sphere, albeit in the less
1st>aggressively hardware-optimizable end.
1st>
1st>Rather than snide remarks, I had hoped to elicit informed comment as
1st>to how much the statefulness of the HP-PA programmers' model impacts
1st>(or can be assumed to impact) current and future implementations, in
1st>development time *and* in achievable speed for a given technology.
1st>
1st>Please?

Let me try.

First of all, I do not think I know both architecture and VLSI enough to call
PA-RISC being in the "less aggressively hardware-optimizable end." However,
I suspect that current PA-RISC is not too complex to design with the advent of
the state-of-the-art logic/layout synthesis. Using advanced EDA tools, I think 
it is possible to design a new RISC layout more complex than PA-RISC and 
still achieve fast-time-to-market and price-competitive dies. People may have
to use full/semi-custom design styles instead of gate-array though.

1st>
1st>Lars Mathiesen (U of Copenhagen CS Dep)<thorinn@diku.dk> (Humour NOT marked)

KJ "Not a PA-RISC designer" Chang
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Subject: Re: PA-RISC ``semantic loading'' (according to DEC)
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:47:38 GMT
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