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In article <1991Jun25.023839.15297@agate.berkeley.edu> jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck) writes:
>In article <1991Jun25.011010.22527@vlsi.waterloo.edu>, ward@vlsi.waterloo.edu (Paul Ward) writes:
>|> Well it's nice to know that people have such high motivation for a
>|> PhD.  You know, I'm disgusted with this whole discussion.  Did it ever
>|> occur to you that there is more to life than money?  Did it ever occur
>|> to you that perhaps people might teach for the love of teaching?

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>A certain number of people can make a certain amount of sacrifice, but
>in the end, if a society does not value education by paying its teachers
>competitively, (and the US does not) its children will suffer.
>
	precisely.  that's why i posted the "this must be a joke" response to
	the original article.  just because someone is a professor instead of a
	s/w engr at some bigbux company doesn't mean they should earn any less
	$$$.  all you who argue that "money ain't everything," kindly listen up:
	nobody said it was _everything_.  i'm just calling for some form of
	reasonable salary for professors, along with some high standards for
	them.  all those people who are spewing self-righteous sewage like "did
	it ever occur to you that there is more to life than money" just don't
	get it.  the issue _isn't_ "those money-hogging greedy cs-types;" the
	issue _is_ one concerning the lack of respect & decent pay for
	professors.  think about it for just one minute, mr. ward:  you just
	received your ph.d. in c.s., & since you pulled a 3.9 gpa, lotsa people
	want you.  a university offers you "(up to) $39k" for a position that
	looks, well, ok.  several bigbux think tanks each offer you $120k, plus
	a huge research budget, plus a large staff, plus, plus, plus.  can i
	make it any clearer?  where do you suppose most of the brilliant minds
	are going to run off to?  don't you think society would be better off
	if more of those brilliant folks could be persuaded to teach at the
	university?

	mr. joe buck's last statement bears _much_ repeating:

"A certain number of people can make a certain amount of sacrifice, but
 in the end, if a society does not value education by paying its teachers
 competitively, (and the US does not) its children will suffer."

>
>Followups should probably go somewhere else; soc.college, maybe.
>
>--
>Joe Buck
>jbuck@galileo.berkeley.edu	 {uunet,ucbvax}!galileo.berkeley.edu!jbuck	

	cheers && good luck to you in your grad studies, mr. buck,
	wr (the wild rider)
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