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Article #12401Re: How many PC's make an Amdahl mainframe
From: Wayne Schlitt
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:42
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:42
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In article <128R02pn34lx01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jjs40@cd.amdahl.com (John Sullivan) writes: > > As far as memory and I/O are concerned, PC's in general still can't support > more than 16MB of RAM. A SCSI controller with DMA support provides about > the same functionality as a mainframe I/O channel. In theory, you can put > more than one in a PC, but the bus can't really support it at that point. Hmmm... We regularly sell pc's with 32MB of memory, and an EISA bus can certainly handle a couple of 32bit SCSI cards. Many motherboards now a days support 64MB of memory, and local bus SCSI boards are going to up the performance a lot. FDDI and such are making connecting hundreds of pc's together more practical. I would say that your numbers are already off by a factor of 2-4 and they number of PC's needed to "match" a mainframe is closing by a factor of 1.5 per year. This is really a battle of "economy of scale" vs "economy of locality". It used to be much cheaper to by one 400MB disk than ten 40MB disks, but now with disk sizes exceeding 2GB and with the incredible volume of PC's the cheapest way to by a 40GB disk is to buy 20 2GB disks and put them in a RAID. Likewise with CPUs. The IBM 370/158's were around 200 times faster than an apple II, but now the fastest mainframe cpu is barely a factor of 2 or 3 faster than the high end RISC chips and _much_ more expensive. (CPU power as measured by integer or floating point code, not memory bandwidth, multiprocessing/interrupt stuff, etc.) The easiest way to get lots of MIPS nowadays its to use multiple CPUs, and many of the fastest computers are going toward using pretty much standard PC CPUs. By the year 2000, what people call a "mainframe" and the things they will do with a "mainframe" won't look very much like what a "mainframe" was when the term was coined. Mainframes aren't dead, but they are having to fight really hard to just to stay sort of alive. -wayne
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Newsgroups: comp.arch Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!dsndata!backbone!backbone!wayne From: wayne@backbone.uucp (Wayne Schlitt) Subject: Re: How many PC's make an Amdahl mainframe In-Reply-To: jjs40@cd.amdahl.com's message of 28 Jan 93 18: 52:05 GMT Message-ID: <WAYNE.93Jan28194258@backbone.uucp> Sender: wayne@backbone (Wayne Schlitt) Organization: The Backbone Cabal References: <1k46ioINNijv@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1993Jan26.225943.21955@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> <1993@niktow.canisius.edu> <128R02pn34lx01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:42:58 GMT