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Article #22183Re: Next computer (Re: CISC Silent Spring)
From: Dwight Joe
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1990 00:50
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1990 00:50
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In article <7341@pdn.paradyne.com> alan@oz.paradyne.com (Alan Lovejoy) writes: | |<NEXT can only be saved if Steve Jobs replaces the 680X0 |<with RISC processor like the Sparc chip. In all compute |<intensive applications, the Sparcstation I beats the NEXT |<timewise. Worse, NEXT costs MORE than a Sparstation I. | |Well, he has lots of choices here. Agreed. But Sparc now has a huge software base that could easily be modified to fit the I/O of the NEXT, which BADLY needs software, if NEXT were to incorporate the SPARC chipset. |<Too, the extra gadetry (like the DSP chip) on the NEXT is |<unlikely to be used by engineers doing compute-intensive |<applications. The DSP might help out in making |<a realistic video game; otherwise, its deadweight. |<What difference does it make if you can play Beethoven's |<fifth on the NEXT? | |Perhaps his target market is not engineers? Whatever. It's clear |that his prices, machine capabilities and marketing strategy are not |in harmony. | Ain't that the truth. What I don't understand about NEXT is what kind of major market is it supposed to be aimed at. Some dude mentioned that the world has musicians as well as engineers. Fine. But musicians seem like too small of a market for the kind of sales projection that Jobs made. Then, Jobs points out that the NEXT is great for word-processing. So what? IBM/MAC can do a more than adequate job. Why spend close to 10K for a NEXT? Jobs initially aimed his machine at higher education. Now, he's shooting for business. I'll tell you why. In the higher education market, his machine loses twice: high price and low performance. People who do reports, write short stories, etc. aren't going to shell out that kind of money for just word processing. That covers liberal arts. Look at the other principal field: the technoids. Why would an engineering dept. pay close to 10K for a NEXT when the dept. can get a Sparcstation I for close to that price and for an order of magnitude performance in number-crunching. So, Jobs was squeezed out of the higher education market. The one thing that Jobs didn't count on back in mid 1980 was the rise of the RISC machines. What hurt him was the very long product development time of NEXT. He expected that back in mid-1980 (when he conceived of NEXT) there would be nothing like RISC. The graphics (assuming no RISC machines) and the powerful 680x0 (assuming no RISC machines) would have been great for running some snazzy graphics-filled simulations of say, molecular reactions. The DSP chip (assuming no RISC machines) would have been great for signal processing experiments in EE. Now, against RISC, NEXT with its 680x0 looks flimsy. Most of the RISC computers have great graphics and better number crunching. As for DSP, I see no reason why a DSP peripheral can't be attached to one of these RISC computers. The conclusion is that RISC has effectively locked NEXT out of a major market. The other major market is controlled by IBM/MAC. So, back to my original question, what kind of major market is NEXT supposed to be aimed at? What makes NEXT better than the dominant machines in those markets? Note that when MAC appeared, it had significant software features that were not present in other machines. (features = easy-to-use user interface, incredibly easy to use word processing, icon-driven menus etc) But NEXT doesn't have any significant software feature that are not present in other machines. |<I know. Steve's going to upgrade the NEXT to a 68040. |<Even then, the Sparc chip set is faster. | |How do you know that? Have you benchmarked a 68040? source: Businessweek
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!mcgill-vision!bloom-beacon!snorkelwacker!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!decwrl!shelby!portia!underdog From: underdog@portia.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Next computer (Re: CISC Silent Spring) Message-ID: <8905@portia.Stanford.EDU> Date: 7 Feb 90 00:50:42 GMT Sender: Dwight Joe <underdog@portia.stanford.edu> Reply-To: underdog@portia.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) Organization: Gigantor Institute of Applied Science Lines: 78